'There is no fate', translated into Latin

[Styles]

I would just like someone to tell me how to say ' there is no fate' in Latin. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance

[indiesinger]

Would it be something like Illic est haud fortuna?

[Quizmonster]

Latin's all about half a century ago for me, but how about: "Nullum fatum est"?

[sft42]

I'm nearly in agreement with Quizzy "Nullus fatum est"....and I suupose if you want the rest of the quote "quin nos fabricari" - but what we make. My latin is very poor though and I would defer to my honourable partner if it is important.

[Quizmonster]

You could well be right, S, but - as best I could recall - most nouns ending in 'um' (as 'fatum' does) are neuter in gender. Also as best I could remember, the gender-variants for masculine, feminine and neuter adjective endings are 'us', 'a' and 'um'. Thus, I got 'nullum', but only on the assumption that 'fatum' is in fact a neuter noun. 'Nullus' would mean it was masculine...which it may very well be. I think we'll both have to wait for Fred Puli - whom I haven't seen around for a while - who really seems to be most familiar here with the ancient lingo. Cheers

[sft42]

Naw goddang it your right of course Quizzy I knew my latin was rusty as heck.....Where has our resident lawyer Treacle gone as well.....I always knew there was a reason for keeping a lawyer about the place.

[FredPuli]

Haud est fatum. Haud was not used with verbs in the golden age of Latin but the great Cicero so used it once at the end of his career (the old trend setter !). Better than the feeble non, it means 'not in any way,not at all' so here it make a snappy 'Fate exists? No way !' or if you prefer " fate is/exists not at all' or 'There is no fate' . Nullum means 'none (of a class)' or 'no' as in 'no senator agreed' and not 'no (unique thing') so is inappropriate; it would be nullum as fatum is neuter (nullus is masculine). Fortuna really means luck. It means fate only in its meaning of a result unknown to us but a secret known to the goddess of fate/luck Fortuna (as, I suppose, in the lap of the gods) not predestination or a certain result, which we might even foresee or predict.

[Styles]

Thank you very much for your help. That was something that has been bugging me for a while but i now i finally know. Thanks again