E numbers in the news today.

[Shadow Man]

Excuse my retrospect, but I am 100 percent confident that such an issue was paramount some 20+ years ago when I was a school pupil.

Oh whoopee do, new research!! So what? Surely any parent who can read (which excludes a few no doubt) must have realised that evidence has always led the public to accept that E numbers cause hyper-active activity and strange pre-pubetic mis-behaviour.

Remember Kia-ora and Umbonga scares circa 1983 ish?

Same thing surely.

[Skreecheeboy]

Doubtless!

[jake-the-peg]

Actually they don't say that E numbers cause hyperactivity in kids.

They say some addititives are associated with hyperactivity in some kids.

It's important because it's proper evidence with additives that are currently in use and not homespun wisdom from parents.

For example in one test children were taken to 2 "parties" in one they were fed lots of sugar but given calming games and in the other party the reverse happened.

But they told the parents they were the other way around!

The parents thought the children were more hyperactive after the party when they thought the children had had the sugar but they'd been actually been having fruit and sandwiches!

Carefully designed experiments are important.

[4getmenot]

I;m not even a parent but I know soom foods make children hyper

[Shadow Man]

Semantics peg-leg.

Does it not say on Cigarettes (I do not smoke) that "SMOKING CAUSES CANCER"

No smoking causes "some" people to get cancer. Not every smoker will get it.

See my point?

[johnlambert]

What was the name of that fruit drink that turned kids yellow if they drank more than a glass a day?

[Shadow Man]

Was that not Kia-ora as I said??

Or Sunny-D, before they changed the recipe????

[johnlambert]

Sunny-D, that was the stuff, give yourself 3 stars minter

[4getmenot]

does it say may cause cancer or that it does. Cant remember now

[sleepyj]

my son has adhd and takes tablets for it to calm him down ..i know coke sends him mad and some sweets so i dont let him eat many

[stewey]

What are 'E numbers'? Never heard the expression

[Shadow Man]

Not quite sure. But I am sure it says on some of them in bold black "SMOKING KILLS".

Yes it does, but even a staunch anti smoker like me realises that not all smokers will die from smokers.

I am just pointed out that the use of my language has not negated the fact I have seen seen the news and thus realise that an entire populus will not be directly effective by the consumption of e numbers. And if there are double negatives in that last statement, hey ho!!

[Shadow Man]

I think the E stands for European registered numbers (or something) which includes food additives like colouring, stabilizers, preservatives etc.

On ingredients you will see

E 102
E143
E 273

etc.

[cameo]

Just read my cigarette packet and it says:
Smoking Seriously Harms You And Others Around You.
On the other side it says:
Smokers Die Younger.

So I think the point is 'some' kids are affected by 'some' E numbers, and 'some' smokers die younger, whilst 'some' don't.

[jake-the-peg]

Right but simply saying E-numbers cause hyperactivity is wrong.

The tests were about certain additives not all of them and they did not establish a causal link.

These are important points not just a matter of symantecs

Otherwise we might ban E290 Carbon dioxide or E941 Nitrogen or E948 Oxygen

And we'd all have to stop breathing.

Sorry but details really are important

[annie0000]

I just don't really see the point of the research. I, for instance, can see that when my son has any kind of sugar free squash his behaviour deteriorates, so answer is - don't let him have it. I don't need millions spent on research to show me that. I am more interested in things causing damage that you will not be aware of .i.e. research into the causes of disease.

[stewey]

Thanks, Shadow Man, for the explanation. Does that mean that on your cans, packages, bottles etc. the name of the ingredients and additives are not written: you have to go by numbers? That must be confusing.

[Reverandfunk]

Hyperactivy?

In my day it was called being naughty lol

[Shadow Man]

In a nutshell stewey, yes!

[SteveD]

Don't forget Dihydrogen Monoxide!

http://www.dhmo.org/

[andrea81]

I've been obsessing over this as my son is very hyper, but some artificial sweetners go by their scientific name and not the E number, Fruit shoots have two E numbers on them (aspartame and acesulfame) - really nasty stuff!

God, I'm one of those parents!