Listener Crossword 4143: the Bottom Line by Charybdis

[Zabadak]

Not so much a Listener Crossword, more a plea for sanity. A neatly put together grid with an eye less to the difficulty of solving than to the transparency of the message. Nothing too difficult here - only a handful of clues needed aids to fully resolve. I appreciated the charade - a rather clever spot by Charybdis, to whom much appreciation and thanks.

[trux]

Indeed, indeed ... straightforward clues, neat devices, all fitting together very nicely in the end-game. Many thanks, Charybdis - especially since I have non-cruciverbalist guest for weekend and a pretty hectic schedule.

[Paula]

Nearly joined the Friday night club - full grid & graph - just cannot fathom out 19. Friends just arrived so will have to look again tomorrow.

[Ruthrobin]

Almost in the same position as Paula, with a weekend of travelling ahead so I am grateful for this relatively gentle grid fill.
Nice one, Charybdis.

[dr b]

Yes, pretty straightforward this week despite another dreaded word-search towards the end. I suppose we could debate whether the "thematically relevant name" will ultimately be proven correct (he/she has been completely wrong so far), but the weather is going to be too nice this weekend so I will be outside instead.

[AHearer]

Thank you, Charybdis, for a puzzle that was well constructed with a nice variety in the way the thematic material appeared or disappeared. The clues were generally fairly straightforward. 5 and 7 held me up for a little while, as they were the last ones I got and I was expecting them to be the other way round, if you see what I mean.

[TheBear69]

If you want to see something amusing (well I found it amusing), Google 'A B C graph' where A B and C are the 3rd, last and 1st words of the problem, respectively. The second entry in the list of hits should be a set of images. Click on the third image. I wonder how they computed the left half of that graph!

[AndrewG-S]

Great fun (just a couple of bits to finish off), relief to have an easier one this week as a busy weekend of sports days ahead. Thanks Charybdis. Good Murray match this evening - maybe a chance this year...

[abns]

Does 18 work? The wordplay indicates the "long" version, but chambers only refers to the relevant three letters in terms of an alternate. Other than that no complaints for an enjoyable but straightforward puzzle.

[silversolver]

Relatively straightforward but enjoyable. The graph is somewhat alarming and dr b, I think it shows that he probably will be proved right in due course! abns - 18 is fine.

[starwalker]

Made fast progress with this last night before being forced to abandon it by visitors. Resuming today, I found myself held up by 5A and 7D until all became clear. Excellent puzzle where everything came together nicely. Full marks for spotting the useful quotation.

[cluelessJoe]

Good grief - 40 years after graduating, I finally found a use for my degree subject - even if it was only to save me having to look up a name.

[pushmi-pullyu]

I liked this one a lot, but I still don't understand the original entry at 19.

[AndrewG-S]

CJ, snap, sounds like we may have studied the same degree. Good to get away from the doubles classics sessions of late.

[Paula]

Finally understand the original answer at 19 across - am I the only one who misses the patently obvious?

[silversolver]

No Paula, I think we have all been there! Took me a while to get 19a too, but a nice PDM when it dawned.

[silversolver]

CJ, AG-S - stirred up vague memories from my undergraduate lectures too!

[Ruthrobin]

Yes, Paula, I too saw what had to replace it but it took a while for the penny to drop about the original word. Clever!

[midazolam]

Having just got back from holiday, I couldn't get the theme until I had the help of the internet. Because of this I did everything backwards. Firstly i worked out the meaning of 19A and the 4 ways, then the way to achieve the solution. I then worked out the name to replace 19A from the possible new words and cross-referenced that to the graph on the internet so giving me the 23 cells to highlight.

This was a straightforward fill to have on holiday, with plenty to work out at the end. Thanks Charybdis

P.S. Enjoyed Samuel's clever grid, clue and preamble construction last week.

[tilbee]

No access to BRB or other references yesterday, but grid fill straightforward enough with couple of exceptions which I had to check this morning. Also had to use Midazolam's approach to the replacement at 19a.

Two things still confusing me (a) original solution to 19a and more importantly (b) are we expected to represent the 'solution' creating new words - seems a little ambiguous?

[tilbee]

Original 19a now understood. Still confused about the 'solution' which seems to me more a goal than a way to achieve this ?