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[flyfish]

4d code word letter y (6) 1a penalty area on a fooyball pich (7+3) your help please

[cathfromsaron]

penalty box

[vegasmad]

4d. yankee

[bibblebub]

4d yankee

[cathfromsaron]

sorry sixyard box

[flyfish]

thanks

[factor-fiction]

The six yard box is only part of the penalty area though- it's the eighteen yard box. Penalty Box seems to fit but it seems odd to have the word penalty in the clue and the answer.

Maybe it's a cryptic clue. Is it cryptic, flyfish

[glasman]

Factor 30 - I think the setter is referring to the sin bin.

[factor-fiction]

Maybe- although we don't have a sinbin in association football and I can't see how that fits with the letter count of 7+3

[glasman]

It didn't mention association football - Rugby League and Rugby Union have it also.

[factor-fiction]

Maybe, but it is very unusual to have rugby league/union referred to as 'football', although I realise it could be American Football.
I still don't see how 'sin bin' fits the letter count though.
Have the clue and letter count been set out correctly?
Does anyone know if this crossword is cryptic?

[glasman]

I didn't give sin bin as an answer - alternative name for it is penalty box.

[factor-fiction]

Thanks- that's brought me back to where I started-Penalty Box- but it seems odd to have Penalty in the clue and the answer. If the answer is Penalty Box then that is the same thing as the Penalty Area, so I don't see that sin-bins come into it.

[glasman]

The PENALTY for illegal behaviour on a football pitch is ten minutes in the sin bin.

[factor-fiction]

Maybe- but I wasn't aware that a sin bin is a called a 'penalty box' and I don't think that they would have said 'football' if they meant 'rughy'.

The penalty area on a football pitch is called the Penalty Box- that seems a much simpler explanation.

But it still seems odd that they would have the word 'penalty' in the question and in the answer (whether they mean sinbin or eighteen yard area).

I appreciate your interest glasman but I feel we are going round in circles. Maybe we are both misunderstanding each other.

[glasman]

You must be English, factor 30. It seems to be only in England ( or perhaps, Great Britain ) that the word football is considered synonymous with soccer or Association football. The rest of the world use the word to describe many other codes.

[factor-fiction]

Yes I am English but did work for while in Scotland. So it seems I am an ignorant Englishmen who didn't realise that football is more likely to mean rugby rather than soccer.

I still cannot see why the solution of Penalty Box is derived via sin bin rather than as the more obvious alternative meaning for penalty area as in 18 yard area.

I wonder if we are talking at cross purposes. We both think what we are saying seem is perfectly clear and neither can understand the point the other is making.

• To me. football= soccer and penalty area= penalty box. Simple and direct.
• To you. it's a more convoluted solution: football= rugby and penalty area= sin bin= penalty box.

I still don't see why they would have the word penalty in the clue and the answer.

Have a good weekend,

[factor-fiction]

Well were slightly at cross purposes, glasman, as it seems fro another thread that the clue was simply " area on a football pitch" rather than "penalty area on a football pitch".
So I now feel even more certain that this has nothing to do with rugby and sin bins!
But if you just winding me up as a gullible Englishman then well done- you succeeded for a while

[glasman]

It was never my intention to 'wind you up' or to portray you as a 'gullible Englishman, as indeed, I'm sure, it was never yours to use your amazing facility to ascribe statements to me that never were made in the first place.
May I take this opportunity to wish you and yours a happy New Year.