Listener 4198, 24 Across by Pilcrow

[Zabadak]

Pretty straightforward even in my current befuddled state: the double clues resolve easily enough. I query "our" and "hero" in the rubric, and whether the lower case writing thing really works, but then I write funny anyway. My regards to all who assemble in this place.

[upsetter]

Yippee - do I get a Friday club tie?
More like a real listener crossword than the jubilee disappointment.

[midazolam]

dont think so upsetter, this is not a classic Listener in my opinion (despite having affiliation with the theme)

[Ruthrobin]

Not too fond of the endgame or our hero - not mine!

[dr b]

Fairly simple gridfill; I may be the only regular who had to consult Wikipedia to figure out who 24A is. Not the hardest but then again I do not have time for an all-weekender this week, so it works out well.

[perseverer]

Tend to agree with Zabadak about the lower case writing, and would quibble about the two parts of a clue not overlapping in at least one case.

[starwalker]

No affililiation with the theme and sadly no feeling of satisfaction with the result.
I agree with Z. Is this going to be a shared cup week ?

[Walterloo]

The theme isn't a favourite of mine but a pleasant solve nonetheless. Leaves the weekend free for other shenanigans.

[Ruthrobin]

Looks as though lots of us are going to get pieces of the shattered Z cup!

[TheBear69]

I, too, needed Wikipedia...but I liked it.

[Texasetes]

What a difference a week makes. Even the puzzle's title is underwhelming.

No person in 24A's position could ever be described as a hero of mine; the whole over-hyped business leaves me absolutely cold.

Still, at least I'll get more sleep tonight than I did last Friday.

[cluelessJoe]

I was left in the disappointed camp.
Any reason for the double clues - maybe an echo of an almost-forgotten achievement back in the days when 'much success' was more in evidence?

[bobbycollins]

Hero?

I suspect that this one has been sitting in the waiting room for a few years.

[dr b]

Wiktionary has definitions for hero that include:

The main protagonist in a work of fiction.

An unwilling sufferer of an act of terrorism, terminal disease, or other tragedy.

A large sandwich made from meats and cheeses; a hero sandwich.

Perhaps one of these applies.

[midazolam]

It is also surprising that this theme was allowed as according to the setter's guidance:

Themes that revolve round a living person are also discouraged because of the risk of death or dishonour at the time of publication.

I dont think that gives anything away

[tenflags]

I tend to agree with all the above .. a shame as some of the clues were quite good. I also share Perserverer's thought about potentially overlapping elements of clues - so now I have finished I will revisit that aspect.

[tenflags]

clues don't overlap

[Ruthrobin]

I believe Perseverer's comment is valid for one clue where a word in one part links to the other part (but the editors have obviously allowed it to avoid being repetitive). To say more would be infringing our 'unwritten rules'.

[upsetter]

What we were trying to say is that although the puzzle is at the easy end of the Listener spectrum, it succeeds as an entertainment. Some clues were easy, but none could be described as really weak. We are reassured that "Who are the Beatles?" is alive and well in cyberspace. It seems a bit uncharitable to suggest that the setter meant hero to mean any more than protagonist.

[AndrewG-S]

Enjoyed the clues and grid fill, but endgame was a let down. There did not seem to be any logic to deducing the hero other than looking at the letters, unless I have missed something. Pretty underwhelming and obscure hero too, unless you like that sort of thing. Another contender for the cup.

[Ruthrobin]

I am surprised that nobody has expressed any doubt about what that word 'initially' in the preamble means in terms of ultimate submission. Does it suggest that ultimately solvers should submit in the normal upper case way after 'five letters' are 'repositioned'?