28a This is done for 19 not 11 s-n-

[crossbill]

Help please. 28a This is done for 19 not 11 s-n-
Thank you

[factor-fiction]

Do we need to know the answers to clues 19 and 11?

[crossbill]

19 is scandal and 11 is range.

[sir.prize]

Answer is Sunk

[crossbill]

Thank you

[factor-fiction]

I don't doubt you sir.prize but I've no idea where SUNK comes from

[Prudie]

Nor me

[sir.prize]

factor and prudie . .

8d is hibernatioN

21d is noteS

So 28a is S?N?

28a clue is ''This is done for'' = all hopes dashed or ruined ie sunk

[factor-fiction]

I don't see why the clue says ... "19 not 11" though

[sir.prize]

cos S is 19th letter of alphabet and K is 11th

[factor-fiction]

Maybe it's time to go to bed as still can't see all the wordplay. so we have S and K- where does the UN come in? or is it un-K with un as a prefix?

[sir.prize]

before you go factor: Yes, we have S??K

As I said, Hibernatiuon is a downwards clue giving us S?NK

And a definition of ''done for'' gives us SUNK

[factor-fiction]

I can see that there is an N from the crossing answer.
I can see there is an S and K in there.
I can see the definition
And I can see the definition.
But where id the wordplay to bring in the UN?

[Prudie]

OK but you should be able to solve it without knowing 8 and 21 answers. I get the definition sunk and S and K but why does S not K give you SUNK?

[sir.prize]

OK. I don't know what to say.

Maybe I am wrong.

[elliemay1]

Not 11 is un-k so it is s+un-k= sunk which means done for.

[bibblebub]

factor - best i can do is that is as you suggest.. s un-k

(but if it isn't then it's the wine's fault not mine)

[factor-fiction]

Thanks ellie and bibblebub.
Anyone know what crossword it was so I can avoid it next time?

[factor-fiction]

^... and thank you sir.prize. I said I didn't doubt you were right!

[bibblebub]

Sunday express apparently http://www.theanswerb.../Question1187519.html

[elliemay1]

Not 11 as in the opposite of 11= un+ the 11th letter which is k.