Getting Thrown Out Of A Pub Due To Smelling

[Lexi184]

Hi guys
I went out Saturday night with my parents and sisters my youngest sister has just turned 18 we went to a few pubs before heading to this one particular pub, my 18 year sister suffers from epilepsy and the medication that she takes makes her sweat a lite more than normal, bearing in mind we had been out for most of the evening dancing. We went to the last pub where we were there for about half an hour only for my sister to be told to leave due to her smelling of sweat. My sister was so upset by this and won't leave the house due to unkind words that was said by the door supervisors on the door that night. I was just wondering weather there is anything she can do as she feels she was being discriminated against all advice welcome thanks in advance

[Old_Geezer]

No expert, but I was under the impression the landlord can ask anyone to leave for any reason. I assume that goes for door supervisors hired by the landlord. I await more expert opinion but maybe the best you can do is to ensure everyone is aware of their unkind treatment of your sister, maybe. Unless that would make things worse for her.

[black_cat51]

i agree with OG - they can ask anyone to leave, as long as it doesn't contravene law (sex discrimination, race discrimination etc)

[black_cat51]

also, what does she want the outcome to be?
if it's to get an apology, then she could try contacting the pub/chain. I can't see what else they can do, short of turning back time

[woofgang]

I don't think it was actually discrimination...they didn't know your sis was epileptic and would likely have been as rude to anyone else who smelt the same. Has she had any help from the doc or epilepsy nurse about dealing with the excess perspiration. I do sympathise. I spent many years travelling to and from the Gulf in ships with no air conditioning when i was younger, once the body has learned to up its perspiration rate, it never really loses it, also I am now at the "hot" age of my life. Dealing with the excess perspiration can be a nightmare.

[KARL]

Your story is very unpleasant and I would like to encourage your sister to regard the attitude of the people who caused her distress as one of intolerance and ignorance. I cannot help you on the legal front but maybe I can advise your sister regarding dealing with sweat.

You don't say whether there was evidence of odour or whether the people concerned were simply being obnoxious and hurtful. If correctly dealt with, sweating in itself should only cause damp/wet areas of clothing and not odour. The very simple expedient of always applying vinegar to the sweatiest areas (not around genitalia) after bathing/showering will kill off the yeasts and other organisms that live on our skin and digest our waste - they cause the odour. Nobody doing this will smell of vinegar beyond half an hour or so while it dries off. Pay attention to clothing also is important, it will become contaminated and harbour the organisms - thorough repeated cleaning at short intervals may be necessary and in the most extreme cases some clothing may have to be discarded.

Best wishes to your sister.

[Lexi184]

Thanks guys, I am a security officer myself and find it a disgrace really I work in a large retail store and have a lot of people in with bad hygiene, I never dream of asking someone to leave the premises due to that reason alone. The person who made the complaint is a regular in this pub and has got an issue with my younger sister thanks for the advice very much appreciated my dad has made a complaint to the landlady as she wasn't present at the time of the incident

[Peter Pedant]

I am pretty sure a landlord can ask any punter to leave ( so long he gives him a chance to drink up ).

[ since my brother in law does so on a regular basis ]


discrimination in the sense of choosing one over another is lawful unless it er isnt by which I mean covered by the laws on sex, age, disability etc

[stewey]

Lexi184, did the door person actually use the phrase "smelling of sweat" and not just refer to her excessive sweating? In Ontario, bar employees have to take a course prior to being able to work in a bar, and part of the course is to recognize signs of over-drinking. One of the indications of over drinking is excessive sweating. Perhaps bar people in the UK have the same training.

[EDDIE51]

The legal side is that the landlord or staff can ask anyone to leave or refuse them service and they do not have to give a reason. This is because in law a pub (Public House) is also the landlords home and he / she can refuse to allow anyone into their home or tell them to leave without giving a reason. Just as you or I can with our homes. Staff have the same rights as the landlord and act as the landlords agents while on duty.

[black_cat51]

that is a load of tosh. Many pubs AREN'T people's homes, but the landlord can still refuse service

[Peter Pedant]

Eddie your 'load of tosh' reflects current English law
please go on posting ; I read quite alot of what you post.

[black_cat51]

ok peter, so what about pubs where people don't live? they have to accept anyone do they?

[Peter Pedant]

Black, C
the conclusion remains true in law ( we think )
even if the antecedent is untrue.

[ we are not in a system called propositional logic
see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propositional_calculus
see just above 'closure operations'
but even if we were ... p --> q is true even when p is false and q true ]

and I dont even wanna get into a discussion about whether a law lord said centuries ago: what is law but logic formalised ?
He did but was probably having an off day ( if he was talking about English law anyway )

[EDDIE51]

There are 'Pubs' properly called Public Houses as the landlord lives there and 'Bars' which serve drinks but are not a residence. Pubs have a landlord and bars have a manager. It got a bit complicated now as you can 'manage' a pub but you still can't be a landlord of a bar. Any way both landlords and managers have the same right to refuse service or ask anyone to leave and they do not need to give a reason.