Thanks jo; getting a bit ridiculous at the moment with cryptic clues not being given in full. Everyone knows that every word in the clue has a part to play :-)
I'll just keep trying to answer if you don't mind. Discussions like this leave a bit of a taste.
I usually like this section but I don't like one-upmanship or superiority.
Why don't we guide instead of criticising?
Frog, I hope my comment didn't come across that way. It can be quite frustrating if posters don't follow the guidelines and give the full clue, count and any placed, even if we keep asking :(
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