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This a much-needed move in the right direction as far as I am concerned, but does every think ?
This a much-needed move in the right direction as far as I am concerned, but does every think ?
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Well I am not exactly going to disagree, but there might be times when you didn't expect to but really need to drive, no alternative and have had a drink, not a huge amount but enough to potentially have some in your bloodstream. I have had to do this once in my life when i had to get a dog to the vet.
I do agree about nights out etcet though and would never plan to drink and drive.
I do agree about nights out etcet though and would never plan to drink and drive.
I feel I ought to disagree as I can't be seen to agree with Mikey on anything, can I? It's against my principles! ;-)
However I do actually agree except, possibly, that the new limit could have been a bit lower. It would never be realistic to have a zero limit (since simply drinking a glass of fruit juice that had undergone a bit of fermentation could put someone over such a limit). However the 'blood level' limit has only gone down from 80mg to 50mg, whereas it's 30mg for driving a train (or simply working on a railway station platform) and 20mg for flying a plane.
However I do actually agree except, possibly, that the new limit could have been a bit lower. It would never be realistic to have a zero limit (since simply drinking a glass of fruit juice that had undergone a bit of fermentation could put someone over such a limit). However the 'blood level' limit has only gone down from 80mg to 50mg, whereas it's 30mg for driving a train (or simply working on a railway station platform) and 20mg for flying a plane.
The nay-sayers appear to have latched on to the notion that the body produces alcohol naturally, so a zero limit is not feasible.
i would argue that there must me a measurement of naturally produced alcohol, beyond which it must be clear that alcohol has been introduced - so set the limit there.
Anyone who (and there will always be rare exceptions) has a legitimate reason for an above-limit reading can have their case assessed on its merits.
As long as we cling to this idea that people have to be able to drink and drive, so they will drink as near to the limit as they can, we are never going to assess the lunacy of driving a ton of metal at forty miles an hour when your judgement is impaired - however slightly.
i would argue that there must me a measurement of naturally produced alcohol, beyond which it must be clear that alcohol has been introduced - so set the limit there.
Anyone who (and there will always be rare exceptions) has a legitimate reason for an above-limit reading can have their case assessed on its merits.
As long as we cling to this idea that people have to be able to drink and drive, so they will drink as near to the limit as they can, we are never going to assess the lunacy of driving a ton of metal at forty miles an hour when your judgement is impaired - however slightly.
Definitely a move in the right direction, which I think England would do well to copy.
I'd support an even lower limit of 20mg similar to Sweden.
As an ex busdriver I was subject to a Company limit of 10mg enforced on a random basis during work shifts. I suppose I was tested about 5 times a year for both drink/drugs. It's something you adjust to and allow for.
I'd support an even lower limit of 20mg similar to Sweden.
As an ex busdriver I was subject to a Company limit of 10mg enforced on a random basis during work shifts. I suppose I was tested about 5 times a year for both drink/drugs. It's something you adjust to and allow for.
Old_Geezer - "I believe, Andy, that is an opinion, and one that can not be reasonably supported. It trashes many thousands, probably millions of people."
I think then, we must agree to differ.
From my point of view, drinking alcohol and driving a car is not the action of a 'decent' person.
If by the term 'decent', you are referring to people who have a sense of social responsibility to themselves, their families, and the wider society in which they live, then you cannot sit that beside a fundamentally selfish and self-centered action - the unwillingness to forgo alcohol conusmption in order to drive properly and safely - in line with their social responsibilities.
The two are simply incompatable. If one person drinks and drives, the chances or an accident or fataility come into play. If more than one person does it, the odds increase mathmatically, and if, as you infer, millions of people are doiong it, then that is dangerous irresponsibility on a national scale.
Nothing decent about that.
What is the problem with saying 'I am going to drink some alcohol, so i wil not drive my car for the duration of the time that alcohol may be in my system.'
Is that so hard?
I think then, we must agree to differ.
From my point of view, drinking alcohol and driving a car is not the action of a 'decent' person.
If by the term 'decent', you are referring to people who have a sense of social responsibility to themselves, their families, and the wider society in which they live, then you cannot sit that beside a fundamentally selfish and self-centered action - the unwillingness to forgo alcohol conusmption in order to drive properly and safely - in line with their social responsibilities.
The two are simply incompatable. If one person drinks and drives, the chances or an accident or fataility come into play. If more than one person does it, the odds increase mathmatically, and if, as you infer, millions of people are doiong it, then that is dangerous irresponsibility on a national scale.
Nothing decent about that.
What is the problem with saying 'I am going to drink some alcohol, so i wil not drive my car for the duration of the time that alcohol may be in my system.'
Is that so hard?
Svejk: It certainly makes you a foolish person. This happens to so many people. I used to count the units of alcohol I consumed on a heavy night out at the pub and 9/10 I wouldn't be safe to drive till the following evening. Which is why if I'd go out on a Friday night I wouldn't get behind the wheel till Monday morning.
Svejk - "So you go out at night for a drink, pay for taxis or walk all night and find you're over the limit on the way to work next day. And that makes you an 'indecent' person?"
If you have drunk enough to be over the limit the next day and you drive your car, then yes, you are socially irrepsonsible.
People seem to have the approach that alcohol is as necessary as oxygen in order to enjoy an evening out - it's not.
If you have drunk enough to be over the limit the next day and you drive your car, then yes, you are socially irrepsonsible.
People seem to have the approach that alcohol is as necessary as oxygen in order to enjoy an evening out - it's not.
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