What Are Your Views On Cameron's Speech, "one Nation, One "united Kingdom"?

[anotheoldgit]

While David Cameron's speech on "One Nation, One "United kingdom" was described as "one of the most significant recent interventions on this issue by a Western leader",

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3168943/I-ll-defeat-fanatics-claims-Cameron-Muslims-Britain-feel-act-British-says-Shiraz-Maher.html

others were not so praising.

/// “There is also a contradiction between Mr Cameron extolling British values such as free speech and then suggesting that Muslims who object to gay equality are somehow extremist and their views should not be tolerated. ///

/// “Everyone in this country, Muslims included, must have a right to express their view no matter how intolerant they are. ///

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-camerons-counterterrorism-strategy-is-confusing-contradictory-and-oversimplified--muslim-groups-react-to-pms-big-speech-10402992.html

[youngmafbog]

No one has a right to threaten or intimidate others.

And that is the problem. Some Muslims seem to think it is ok to leach of us all whilst preaching hatred, and indeed declare war on the rest of the population who do not agree with them.

[anotheoldgit]

Why doesn't the government introduce a Muslim only regiment in the British Army, then perhaps the young Muslims seeking adventure could join.

This would help to resolve two problems, the one of the young being radicalised, and the need for 'boots on the ground' in the Middle Eastern trouble spots.

At least we couldn't then be blamed for getting involved in Islamic affairs.

[Gromit]

No impressed.
Basically he said it is all Googles fault. He needs to accept it is the Government's fault (not all his Government). Failures in foreign policy mainly due to us following the US agenda for the World is alienating many people, not just muslim extremists.

[retrocop]

aog
It seems that good muslims do not take the lives of other muslims.They leave that to the bad muslims. So we are told!!! Catch 22 innit. We would have to recruit the bad ones.

[naomi24]

He’s trying to make the right noises but if he really expects this nation ever to be united, he’s whistling in the wind.

[Gromit]

If I said I support the Conservatives because I saw them on Facebook and Twitter, and read Littlejohn in the Mail, then that would clearly be nonsense.

But that is what is being said here.

They are saying that people are are turning to extremism because it is on the internet. Clearly rubbish. They are choosing extremism for another reason.

As long as they treat the symptoms and not the cause, they are doomed to lose.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// As long as they treat the symptoms and not the cause, they are doomed to lose. ///

Then what do you suggest the cause is?

[Baldric]

///Why doesn't the government introduce a Muslim only regiment in the British Army, then perhaps the young Muslims seeking adventure could join.///

Having had Combat Experience I would not want a Muslim watching my back in a similar situation, let alone a whole Regiment of them.
In that situation you need 100% confidence in that person, not sure that would be there.

[jim360]

Seems a bit harsh, that, Balders.

[retrocop]

Balders
I said something very similar to you in the bad old days (except facing combat).
I was quite seriously rebuked I recall.Must of been the way I put it again!! :-)

[Baldric]

You hop into bed with them if you want to Jim, I prefer not to!

[retrocop]

See Balders. It's starting . :-)

[Baldric]

Hand wringing Liberals, they'll be the downfall of this Country
if we're not careful.

[retrocop]

Just found the similar post to yours.
Best not C&P it .I only confused Gromit with SA80 and F.O.P. the last time and got rollocked by him for using jargon. :-)

[jim360]

What I'm saying is that, in the event that I ever found myself in a combat situation, I'd far rather trust a Muslim who in joining the armed forces has (also) chosen to put his life on the line in service of the country, than a non-Muslim who hasn't. I don't think that's too unreasonable.

[anotheoldgit]

Baldric

/// Having had Combat Experience I would not want a Muslim watching my back in a similar situation, let alone a whole Regiment of them. ///

Not suggesting for the Regiment/Unit to work side by side with other British troops, this would be a separate unit something like the SAS to infiltrate into Muslim countries, and to fight side by side with troops from Turkey, Iraq and Tunisia.

[retrocop]

jim360
thanks for your clarification but it cuts no ice with me. Baldric mentioned trust in your comrade is essential in combat.
Muslims joined the Afgan Army and Police Force in the service of their "country".
They shot British troops who they were working along side whilst they slept and killed RAF Regiment troops on joint sentry- go duty.
Perhaps I will C&P my last thread on this subject.

[Baldric]

So you're saying that myself and my colleagues gave Blood Sweat and Tears to become Royal Marines 'cos, 'Well, it's a job, init?'

Forgotten who said it now, but it's along the lines of:-

"It's far easier to destroy an organisation from the inside!"

[Svejk]

Dhimmi Dave.

http://goo.gl/4gqLrs

[jim360]

It seems to me that it's a very sweeping generalisation you are both making, though. Some Afghani Muslims betrayed the trust. It doesn't mean that others will. And then British Muslims are at least far less likely to be caught up in the mentality of Middle-Eastern Muslims, and so on.

One way or another, the statement "I wouldn't trust a Muslim", without any further qualification, sits uneasy with me. I'm sorry if that makes me a hand-wringing leftie-liberal, for wanting to know the person first before making a sweeping generalisation about his presumed trustworthiness.