Why Are The Views On Muslims More Negative In Eastern And Southern Europe?

[anotheoldgit]

http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/07/GA_2016.07.11_national_identity-00-01.png

https://www.indy100.com/article/islam-muslim-fastest-growing-religions-worldwide-statistics-data-christians-christianity-7632951?utm_source=indy&utm_medium=top5&;utm_campaign=i100

[Baldric]

Deja vu anyone?

[Samjenko]

More experience.

[jno]

they know they are wicked people and Allah will punish them.

[ichkeria]

Percentage of Moslems in Hungary: 0.06
Percentage of Moslems in Italy: 3.5
Percentage of Moslems in Poland: 0.1
Percentage of Moslems in Greece: 0.9
Percentage of Moslems in Spain: 2
Percentage of Moslems in Netherlands: 6
Percentage of Moslems in Sweden: 6(?)
Percentage of Moslems in France: 12
Percentage of Moslems in Germany: 6
Percentage of Moslems in UK: 5

Good old Hungary :-)
Note now the percentages roughly rise the futher down the list you go. It may well be meaningless, as may the survey.

[anotheoldgit]

Baldric

/// Deja vu anyone? ///

Why has this report been posted on here before?

[andy-hughes]

I have absolutely no idea - and speculating without a shred of believable evidence is not productive, so I will stop there.

[ichkeria]

The stats don't bear it out at all as far as I can see. The 4 countries on the top of the (fairly selective) list are all southish and eastish, but
the vast majority of countries in that region are not surveyed.
Generally I would say that in Eastern europe people are more xenophobic and racist, but this all seems a bit random. My own potted survey suggests that the fewer foreigners in a country the more insular and suspicious of outsiders that country is. But it's all pretty tenuous.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dutch-elections-netherlands-geert-wilders-freedom-party-turkey-fascist-no-difference-rallies-islam-a7632571.html

Perhaps those countries also think there may be a holy war, with their countries being on the front line?

[emmie]

according to that piece Islam will be dominant by 2070, that is a long way off and if someone hasn't noticed they are killing one another at an alarming rate. or being killed by western forces. plus those from African, Asian countries, many babies are born despite poverty, war, famine, yet don;t survive beyond a few years, as we have seen on the news, i don't think that Islam is going to take over any day soon.

[hereIam]

I hope not em.

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

/// I have absolutely no idea - and speculating without a shred of believable evidence is not productive, so I will stop there. ///

Then why did you even bother to join the thread?

It is this inbuilt aggressiveness of yours that never alters.

[ichkeria]

Ah! Well why didn't you say so at the start! You are sometimes hard to second-guess :-)
So I guess your thinking is that all these south and east countries are on the "front line"
It ought to be worth pointing out that that quote is actually from a Turkish government spokesman, and the Turksh govt is currently doing a very good impression of a body that has taken collective leave of its senses.
Maybe that is why Wilders did badly in the Netherlands: the voters realised they were in the safer north western part :-)

[emmie]

Islam is the second largest religion in the United Kingdom, with results from the United Kingdom Census 2011 giving the UK Muslim population in 2011 as ~2,706,066, ~4.5% of the total population. The vast majority of Muslims in the United Kingdom live in England: 2,660,116 (5.02% of the population).

[Samjenko]

Countries that suffered under Islam make damn sure it doesn't get a toehold again. Like I said, experience.

[youngmafbog]

Yes that will normally drive people to a dislike.

//Generally I would say that in Eastern europe people are more xenophobic and racist//

You mean they have long memories so you will then name call them. I see.

[anotheoldgit]

ichkeria

/// Generally I would say that in Eastern europe people are more xenophobic and racist ///

We have quite a few Eastern Europeans living here, are you suggesting that they have brought their xenophobic and racist attitude with them to the UK?

[ichkeria]

Hmm, not sure what history you are on about there. Hungary, Poland, Russia, Ukraine et al still smarting after years of oppression by the darkies? Don't think so :-)
What chiefly influences thinking in those countries is memories of wars with their neighbours, and also, frankly, ignorance. You donl;t necessarily learn political correctness if you don't need to, to put it as crudely as I can.
Anyway, not sure that's the agenda AOG is pushing. He's thinking more holy wars against the infidels I think.

[ichkeria]

"We have quite a few Eastern Europeans living here, are you suggesting that they have brought their xenophobic and racist attitude with them to the UK? "
Nope: maybe some have, but that is not relevant to this. It's "south and east Europe" that was top of your league table.

[andy-hughes]

I have re-read ichkeria's post a couple of times, and I can't see anywhere where he said anything about 'long memories' - and his reference to xenophobia is a perceived view, not 'name calling'.

Maybe you are arguing with what you wish he had said, so you can pick him up on it?

[andy-hughes]

AOG - //We have quite a few Eastern Europeans living here, are you suggesting that they have brought their xenophobic and racist attitude with them to the UK? //

In common with YMB, you are attributing a viewpoint to ichkeria that he has not stated, so you can argue with him about it.

Would it not be more fair to discuss the point he has actually made, rather than arguing the point you wish he had made, so you could pick him up on that?