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I think it will not (at least not in its present form). And if it is expunged from the face of the earth it will do 500m people (well, about 440m now) a great favour. It was a fine and noble idea sixty years ago. Its foundations were based on trade and commerce and it’s a great idea to remove trade barriers and tariffs and to facilitate free trade. But with the...
16:23 Fri 17th Mar 2017
don;t honestly know, i hope not, but that is just my personal opinion.
with the levels of unemployment, can see many countries in the EU imploding, youth unemployment can lead to serious rioting, unrest, then there is Greece, who shouldn't have been allowed to join the party in the first place
The fundamental flaw was allowing too many countries into the Euro club too quickly. The Euro is undervalued for Germany and massively overvalued for Greece. For the system to work it would need the rich countries to support the poorer ones, just as London and the SE subsidises the poorer regions of the UK.
Hope not !
high unemployment across the EU, that should be something that could start the ball rolling.

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Unemployment_statistics
It started the ball rolling in the 1930s.
and that lead to war did it not?
Yes the EU will survive. How arrogant we are to think that it cannot survive without the UK
I've never really understood the 'let's smash the EU mentality. I understand, even if I don't support, the idea that the UK should leave. Hoping that the nations of Europe should all retreat into their lairs tho seems to me to be perverse
I also should add that I understand that people might think it might it survive, it there's s difference between thinking that, or not caring, and actually wanting it not to continue.
Some people are Anti-Establishment at the expense of everything else, Ich. I sometimes wonder if they're so anti-establishment because they are low achievers and have a bit of a chip on their shoulders.

Emmie. I could almost hear the penny drop then.
zac
it did, ding...
the EU was set up to tie nations together so tightly they could never afford to go to war again. I'd quite like that to continue. People who hope it will collapse are, by and large, too young to have lived through WW2.
I think it will not (at least not in its present form). And if it is expunged from the face of the earth it will do 500m people (well, about 440m now) a great favour.

It was a fine and noble idea sixty years ago. Its foundations were based on trade and commerce and it’s a great idea to remove trade barriers and tariffs and to facilitate free trade. But with the federal ambitions ruthlessly pursued by the euromaniacs it was always going to end in tears. No forced union of disparate independent nations has ever succeeded in the long term. The EU has so many faults that they are too numerous to mention. But when you consider that its proudest achievements are the single currency and the Schengen Agreement it gives some idea of the arrogance of those running it. Those two “achievements” have caused untold misery across the continent and consigned millions of people to poverty and chaos.

The problem is that those in charge of the EU will not accept its failures and address them. They plough on fighting one crisis after another as if nothing has happened. They continually make the same mistakes expecting something to different to eventually happen. Their vanity will not let them accept that their project is a failure and take the radical steps needed to put things right. I believe the UK will be the first of quite a few nations to quit and this will be accelerated when the excrement hits the air conditioning with the Italian economy. That will largely spell the end of the euro and radical changes will have to be made.
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“the EU was set up to tie nations together so tightly they could never afford to go to war again.”

If you mean they could not afford to go to war because they had insufficient funds then it’s certainly achieved that aim. The exception, of course, is Germany which has been running a current account surplus well in excess of EU rules for many years because it refuses to distribute its wealth across the poorer euro nations. Coincidentally, if my history serves me well, it was that very nation that was the principle cause of the two world wars.

However, if you mean they could not afford to go to war because they were inextricable linked you may be surprised. The EU has brought untold misery on millions of people and many of the poorer nations blame Germany for their plight. It would not take too much of a crisis – especially where the illegal movement of people across the continent is concerned – to kick off a few minor skirmishes, as was demonstrated last summer. And we all know what minor skirmishes can lead to.

“I sometimes wonder if they're so anti-establishment because they are low achievers and have a bit of a chip on their shoulders.”

Many are not anti-establishment, Zacs. They are anti-EU which is an entirely different thing. It does not do to lump the two together, especially when you suggest, by connotation, that those who are anti-EU are low achievers with chips on their shoulders. Many people who are anti-EU are considerably high achievers and have nothing which might cause them to have a chip on their shoulder.
//How arrogant we are to think that it cannot survive without the UK//

It won’t cease to survive simply because we are leaving – but as chiaroscuro says it has become too big and it will eventually collapse. We may well look back in the not too distant future and say ‘thank goodness for Brexit’.
They're not the ones I'm obliquely referring to. More the ones on here. Geddit. End of. Innit.
i am anti EU, but i don't think i have a chip on my shoulder.
Zacs-Master, perhaps if you stopped being 'oblique' we'd know who you're talking about.
come come Naomi, not the done thing at all on here is it.

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