Should The Death Penalty Be Reintroduced In Uk?

[willbewhatiwill]

I believe death penalty should not be reintroduced, as life imprisonment without the possibility of parole is as effective against murder as death penalty because:
• It is possible that death penalty can be carried on a prison who actually did not commit the crime.
• A desperate murderer may try to avoid arrest by committing more murder to save himself/herself from facing the death penalty.
• life imprisonment without the possibility of parole is sufficient deterrent to murder.

As a person who has done a conversion course in Law for graduates (LLDip), I know that the intention (mens rea) for murder, under English Law, is ‘malice aforethought’ & the fixed penalty for murder is fixed at statutory live imprisonment. The medical condition of the victim is not an excuse to murder in Law – as the perpetrator ‘takes the victim as he found him’ (i.e. in good or poor health), hence a terminally ill person can be murdered.

There are different degrees of killing of a human being – from mercy killing, accident, self-defence, negligence, diminished responsibility, provocation, insanity, intentional killing to evil killing in aggravated circumstances. Hence the penalty for causing the death of a human being can range from community service (like ‘mercy killing’, genuine accidental death) to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole.

[Islay]

no

[willbewhatiwill]

I meant: It is possible that death penalty can be carried on a PRISONER who actually did not commit the crime.

[Zacs-Master]

'life imprisonment without the possibility of parole is sufficient deterrent to murder.'

Then why do they keep happening?

[Jackdaw33]

This topic has been done to death on here.

[albaqwerty]

I want the death penalty for the low-life scum who murdered Mr Alba's cousin last week.

Other than that, a full-life sentence for every other person convicted.

[naomi24]

Yes - but it won't be.

[ummmm]

No.

[willbewhatiwill]

Zacs-Master,

The mind of a person who commit murder is so disordered, desperate & beyond the pale that, regardless of penalty (if convicted), murder is going to be committed by the murderer regardless of the penalty for murder. Also, effective murder innvestigations and reporting of murder convictions by the media may give the impression of seemingly pervelance of murder in society.

[Peter Pedant]

no Naomi you cant answer because you havent experienced any of this! - see your answer to jim a moment or so ago

to the point - oh dear -
//The mens rea (Latin for "guilty mind") of murder is either an intention to kill (per the 2004 binding case of R v Matthews & Alleyne) or an intention to cause grievous bodily harm (R v Moloney, R v Hancock & Shankland, and R v Woollin)//

so the mens rea for mairder is NOT malice aforethought - take that nard-won Dip Law away from him! - anyway this is a copy and paste job innit?

and finally - of course people can be hanged for not doing it
R v Bentley 1952 - give it to him Craig - that one

honestly can we re-post his in 'Jokes' section
it would sit better there

and all the jokey replies as well.......

[cue 1000 one liners like - "Men's Who-er? that should be men's where-er shouldnt it ? Just down the corridor sir"]

[Islay]

Death penalty = state sponsored death penalty

[Old_Geezer]

No

[naomi24]

Peter Pedant, //no Naomi you cant answer because you havent experienced any of this! - see your answer to jim a moment or so ago //

Pathetic.

[Berniecuddles2]

you've got no chance human rights and the do-gooders will see that it doesn't ever happen!

[EDDIE51]

I can never agree to the death penalty under any circumstance , but as there is no chance of it ever being reintroduced the argument is pointless.
As I have said many times on here I have met and talked to several murderers while I was working in a prison, not one of them said that the death penalty would have made a difference, all the murders were committed in 'the heat of the moment' . A momentary lapse after years of abuse or in an argument that went too far.

[Peter Pedant]

Te difficulty about hanging convicted murderers - terrorists especially is that there WAS a demand to hang the convicted IRA terrorists in the seventies
and oo-er they hadnt done it !

as s/o commented above - Pathetic
( sorry I cant resist recycling useful phrases)

on one APPEAL Lord Donaldson said - "if it had been me and the death penalty was still law - then they would have swung!"
so clearly you can tell the judges they are wrong and all they say is: "No we arent!"

The only ones who HAD done it on the mainland was the Balcombe St gang.

complete non starter - or could one say - dead horse ?

[naomi24]

Eddie, //A momentary lapse after years of abuse or in an argument that went too far. //

You clearly haven’t spoken to Michael Adebolajo, or to Roy Whiting, or to Ian Brady, or to Ian Huntley, or to Peter Sutcliffe……

[Zacs-Master]

Will, I'm sorry but that simply doesn't answer why you stated that life imprisonment is a sufficient deterrent to murder. In fact it contradicts it. You now seem to be saying that the sentence isn't even considered by the murderer as they're in such a confused state of mind.

This last statement isn't even correct, as some murders are done in a cold and calculated way e.g. assassinations, serial murders, etc.

Are you sure you have a LLdip?

[willbewhatiwill]

Peter Pedant,

You are wrong, as any law student (even at 6th form) will tell you that the mens rea for murder is 'malice aforethought'.

I take great except in you speculating (without any evidence whatsoever) that the post I made is cut & paste job, when in fact they are (apart from the quotes as reference) are my own perceptions, opinions, take, knowledge, sentence construction.

Unlike you, I can write properly without cutting & pasting. I am capable of writing articles, as well as dissertation.

http://www.e-lawresources.co.uk/The-law-of-murder.php states, "The mens rea of murder is malice aforethought, which has been interpreted by the courts as meaning intention to kill or intention to cause GBH".

[Old_Geezer]

Serial killers have a mental aberration and so aren't going to be swayed by the penalty. They are probably not expecting to get caught anyway, no matter how many clues they leave.

[Zacs-Master]

Exactly my point OG. This directly contradicts Will's statement that life imprisonment is a sufficient deterrent to murder.