Help Please

[susanwilton]

13a) Five heard at the same time (5) s?n?h
Last one and would appreciate assistance ....

[Mamyalynne]

Synch

Sounds like Cinq (3 French)

[scorpiojo]

Synch (cinq)

[Mamyalynne]

who typed 3?

Ha - 5

[susanwilton]

Thank you both so much. I'd missed the French 'connection' completely.

[fiction-factory]

Clue doesn't really work though as cinque sounds like sank not sink (sync/synchh) - or am I on the wrong track?

[geevo]

[Mamyalynne]

I agree most of us pronounce 'Cinq' as Sank but I have heard people pronounce 'Cinque' as both sink/sank.


If there's a better answer will accept that.

[Mamyalynne]

[fiction-factory]

Thanks. I'm not convince dabout French being SINK. When I was at school we were always taught "un, deux trois , quatre, cinq , six..."(un, durr, trwa, katre, sank, cease) and I've always said it like that when 'teaching' French or speaking it- and have never heard it pronounced sink. But Spanish is pronounced 'sinko' and in Catalan it is definitely pronounced SINK so maybe the setter is catalonian. Maybe other languages pronounce it SINK too

[Neveracrossword]

FF, my French language skills are non-existent, but... I've just checked Chambers and the pronunciation guide it gives has the exact same for both 'sink' and 'cinque'.

[fiction-factory]

But the French for 5 is CINQ not CINQUE unless things have change dsince I was at school.
I think there is some confusion here about the language.
It's nothing to do with French (cinq/sank).

[fiction-factory]

Italian for five is CINQUE but I always pronounce that SHINQWAY

[Neveracrossword]

Chambers says 'cinque', singk, is the number 5, as on dice'. The pronunciation for 'synch' is exactly the same - so the clue seems fine to me. The pronunciation guide for 'cinquecento' follows your way for the Italian 'five'.

[fiction-factory]

Okay, but it's not French cinq though- cinque is some other word whose origin I'm not sure of

[Neveracrossword]

FF, the clue didn't ask for 'French five' - if it did, your pronunciation would be correct. Cinque, pronounced sink (and like synch) is defined as 'five'.

[Mamyalynne]

I should have used 'Cinque' in my first reply.

cinque
sɪŋk/Submit
noun
noun: cinque; plural noun: cinques; noun: cinq; plural noun: cinqs
1.
the five on dice.
2.
BELL-RINGING
a system of change-ringing using eleven bells, with five pairs changing places each time.
Origin
Latin - Old French

[Captain2]

Press the loudspeaker icon here

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/cinque

PS I think the setter is from The North.

'Ast ne'er 'eard sink pronounced in broad Lanky or Yorky? ;0))))))

[Neveracrossword]

I like finding things in dictionaries, but felt I was fighting a losing battle here!

[Mamyalynne]

Both pronunciations of my link above.

[fiction-factory]

I agree. CINQUE is actually old Normandy French. The answer is fine on that basis. Some of the above justifications though referred to the French CINQ which is pronounced sank not sink. i didn't help by misspelling CINQ as CINQUE in one of my earlier posts