Loss of Sunday Tel GK Comp xword

[GK Fanatic]

Can anyone recommend a good Sunday GK comp crossword since the sad demise of the Telegraph one?? I'll go back to the Mail for this week but would like something a little more challenging???

[zeb424]

the sunday telgraph still do a gk crossword, but not a comp. one it's in the seven mag

[shaneystar]

FT Weekend have got a very challenging cryptic and a General Knowledge puzzle.I know it's a financial paper but it gives you all the news ,a magazine and there are some quite good features.I won't be buying the ST anymore.My neighbour gives me todays Mail tomorow as she doesn't do the crosswords...so I do get a fix of some sort !

[biley]

I am a little puzzled - the Daily Telegraph Crossword Society's Sunday General Knowledge Puzzles are still showing as prize competitions. Is the crossword number 680 that the Crossword Society shows as being the GK crossword for today, Sunday 13 November, not the same one as printed in the paper? If it is, why has everybody assumed this is no longer a prize puzzle?

[shaneystar]

The ones in the ST are now in the magazine and they give you the answers to the puzzles over the page.If you are stuck you can turn the page and get the answer which doesn't present much of a challenge. They no longer give a prize.They just have a clue writing competiton..no prize for that either.They still award prizes for the Griddler and Enigmatic Variations.Perhaps it's a ploy to get people to subscribe to the Crossword Society on line?I am not bothered about the prizes...I never win anything anyway..but what is the point of printing the puzzles with the answers in the same issue.Even if they published them the following week that would be something.

[alzheimer]

In answer to BILEY...look on page 78 and you'll get today's answers to today's GK No 680...It takes the fun right out of it and I am grateful to learn that the FT do a decent quizz. I do get the FT and will make a start PRONTO! The Telegraph have been dumbing down their quizzes recently and it is losing them a lot of customers who really enjoy the arcane and the research it involves ...not to mention the camaraderie that this forum enjoys!

[shaneystar]

Quite agree alzheimer ....Mr S. still buys the FT..even though he has retired now !The weekend puzzles are very challenging.
I have more or less given up on the Telegraph and only buy it on a Saturday and a Monday now for the GK and Herculis.

[biley]

Shaneystar, I am puzzled - if you are not interested in the prize and enjoy just doing the crossword, what is the problem of having the answers in the paper as long as they are not on the same page? After all, one does not have to look at the answers until you have finished the crossword and you do not have to wait a week before finding out if you were right or not. It only takes a little self will not to look at the answers, doesn't it?

Alzheimer, thanks for the info. I do not get the Sunday Telegraph, as you might have gathered.

There is one point I would like to mention. If the website crossword is still a prize competition (which it certainly seems to be) why not do the paper crossword as if it is a prize crossword and send it in in the normal way? The Sunday Telegraph HAVE to accept it as an entry or else there would surely be legal ramifications - ie it does not state that only website entries are allowed (or at least I cannot see it if it does). Anybody know the legal position on this?

[shaneystar]

Biley...I have no self will whatsoever.! It would be too tempting not to peek ! Just to prove I have no self will...I am now going to have a a large drink from the whisky bottle that has been winking at me since lunchtime !!

[biley]

Yes that's fair enough, shaneystar. Can see how this might have ruined things for you. Really do not think it will be long before the Sunday Telegraph change their minds on this but perhaps that will be too late for you and others. Oh and the loss that the Sunday Telegraph will make from people leaving because of this can in no way be made up by those same people joining the Crossword Society. I do not know how much the Sunday Telegraph is these days but it has to be at least �60 for a year whereas a subscription to the Crossword Society is half of that. That is one good reason why the Sunday Telegraph have to change their decision. Too late? Yes perhaps.

[GK Fanatic]

Wow I've certainly started something with that question!! My thinking is almost identical to Shaneystars. I like the challenge of completing and sending in a good crossword puzzle. The likelihood of winning is slight but its sooooo much more satisfying than just doing them for fun.

Financial Times here I come!!!!

[gardenknowin]

Reckon the MOS GK Xword is quite challenging - at least it lets one "google" to one's heart's content (and furnishes one with loads and loads of useless information in the process) Mind you, you have to be a film-buff, avid reader of obscure books, or a sports fanatic to get the best from it!

Amazing how much post has been generated since STel started messing about. Surprised there wasn't a comment in today's edition. Must say,though, I thought the blank clue was very clever. Let's hope STel takes note of all our comments and reverts to how it used to be, making our Sundays enjoyable again.

AND if anyone would care to try and interpret the instructions for today's Enigmatic Variations, I should be most interested............:)

Think I'll try FT next weekend, unless STel gets its act together.

[alzheimer]

Re Tel .GK crosswords etc

Not all of us want to enter the crosswords..we just enjoy completing them! I'm an Aberdonian and we don't like spending money...so...no postage needed when you DON'T send them in!!! As for those of you that can withstand the temptation of turning over the page for the answers....I take my hat off to you all. Now .. where did I put that what's left of that big box of chocolates?!!! And the FT.....of course!

[masonbm]

<XMP>I've always thought that the Sunday</XMP><XMP>Times Mephisto is the ultimate hard</XMP><XMP>cryptic crossword - I can't understand</XMP><XMP>most of the clues! There is a prize </XMP><XMP>clue writing contest too. As a change</XMP><XMP>from crosswords, the S Times travel </XMP><XMP>section has an interesting "Where</XMP><XMP>Was I" prize comp.Prizes apart, if you </XMP><XMP>like a good read on a Sunday, I'd say </XMP><XMP>that the S Times is a much better buy</XMP><XMP>than the now scrappy STel.�</XMP><XMP>�</XMP>