Do Anti Vaxers Deserve To Be Treated?

[Stickybottle]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58494842

Just asking the question in light of the news headlines over the last 24 hours about increased costs etc

[jourdain2]

Of course. (I am vaccinated by the way.) Compulsion for vaccination opens the door to other state compulsions. Totally unacceptable concept. Should over-eaters be refused treatment?

[AuntPG]

I would charge Private rates to any antivaxxers rocking up to a NHS hospital with Covid Symptoms.

[AuntPG]

// Should over-eaters be refused treatment?//

I don't actually think over-eating is contagious or a threat to anyone other than the person doing the over-eating.

[jourdain2]

Would you charge the same to any obese people or ex-smokers who stopped too late AuntPG? They have all, presumably, paid their N.I. and are therefore entitled to treatment.

[jourdain2]

By the way, you can be double vaccinated (I am) and still catch it and be contagious - so what is the difference?

[AuntPG]

Jourdain, Of course not -you are trying to compare apples and pears. By not getting vaccinated, patients are putting themselves at risk, but more importantly those who, for whatever medical reasons, can't have the vaccine and those who have had the vaccine but have compromised immune systems.

[AuntPG]

// By the way, you can be double vaccinated (I am) and still catch it and be contagious //-

So why on earth then are we all getting vaccinated if it doesn't work (according to you)

// so what is the difference?//
Pretty obvious. One patient gets all the shots and unfortunately contracte covid again -not their fault. Another patient refuses the shots, gets covid and passes it onto others -totally their fault.

[woofgang]

I am solidly pro vax but I think that deciding not to treat any sick person is the thin end of the wedge

[andy-hughes]

Of course they do.

Part of living in a free society is exercising one's right to be terminally stupid without draconian sanctions from the more intelligent.

[pastafreak]

Isn't it the duty of medicine to treat all?
I know this argument is based on cost to the NHS, but everyone should be entitled to treatment.

[jim360]

Yes. Healthcare should be available to all, free from moral judgements, if they need it.

[Stickybottle]

When I was donating blood a couple of weeks ago I was surprised at how many of the staff at the donor centre had little sympathy for the unvaccinated and another wanted to see no jab no job introduced
I am still waiting to hear a sensible and rational viewpoint of an anti vaxer
Sounds like natural selection in a way

[Stickybottle]

pastafreak
Isn't it the duty of medicine to treat all?
I know this argument is based on cost to the NHS, but everyone should be entitled to treatment.

I wondered about that too whilst remembering the interferon issue a while back when cost was stated as the reason not to treat women with breast cancer
As I said the last 24 hours has raised questions and arguments about healthcare
Many more arguments to come I guess

[New Judge]

//So why on earth then are we all getting vaccinated if it doesn't work (according to you)//

Because being vaccinated reduces, very considerably, your chances of becoming seriously ill should you contract the virus. The jury is out on whether it reduces your ability to contract it at all or to transmit the virus.

I believe that people refusing the vaccine (without a medical reason) are simply pillocks. That said, I defend unconditionally their right to be stupid. We don't do compulsory medical treatment in the UK - the law specifically prohibits it. Threatening to refuse treatment to the unvaccinated is effectively "constructive compulsion." We don't do compulsory 'flu vaccination. That disease is endemic, is highly infectious and has been killing people in their thousands for decades. But we don't deny treatment to unvaccinated 'flu victims.

[douglas9401]

"...but I think that deciding not to treat any sick person is the thin end of the wedge"

That decision has already been put in place, just try getting anything out of the protected NHS that we've all been exhorted to save.

It's an absolute farce.

[Ellipsis]

If people who had been stupid in the past, or were stupid in the present, weren't treated, then not many people would be treated ...

[Mamyalynne]

It's not about deserve or not - Yes, they should be treated.

[jno]

don't do anything to upset them

//London transport staff warned of razors inside Covid conspiracy poster//"

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/08/london-transport-staff-warned-of-razors-inside-covid-conspiracy-posters

[naomi24]

Jourdain, I agree. The only people anti-vaxers are putting at risk is themselves. Of course they should be treated.

[zebo]

I decline the flu jab, luckily so far I've not had proper flu, but I would expect to be treated were I to get it.