Ireland's Own

[Trayc5]

7d,People who follow and set fashion trends :instruments used to set hair (7) ----E--?
12a,Record ;mark or register esp a piece of music (6) N-T---?
Any help with either would be greatly appreciated

[Neveracrossword]

7 Tongers?

[Neveracrossword]

12 Notate

[klazomaniac]

7d Rollers
People who move with the times.
Hair rollers.

[Neveracrossword]

Thanks, Klazo - yours is a better answer (and mine was more of a guess, glad I put a ? after it!)

[klazomaniac]

Hi NAC. On reading the clue, My first thought was 'Curling Tongs'
(From memories of my Mother) So 'Tongers' kind of made sense. But as I hadn't heard this before and Chambers didn't back it, I had a beer and a lightbulb moment. Rock 'n' Roll :-)

[Neveracrossword]

Klazo, I knew that one of the Irish publications often has weird clues- but I think that is RTE, not Ireland's Own.
PS I see the instruments for setting hair, but the other definition of 'roller', setting and following fashion, was new to me. Learning is good!

[klazomaniac]

I can't find anything to back up my suggestion in any Lexicon apart from 'A Person or thing that rolls'
Therefore a person who rolls would be a roller.
Roll with the times is quite a famous saying. So that was where I was coming from.
On the Irish crossword bit. I couldn't agree more (especially with the RTE). The setters have a way of their own (I'm not being facetious in my statement as both my parents were Irish) I'm just saying that the Irish have a way with words like no other (To be sure).
céad míle fáilte being one of the most famous (A Hundred Thousand Welcomes) People just don't speak like that anywhere else, But lovely all the same. :-)

[TheWinner]

7. agree with rollers, as in Bay City Rollers.

[Neveracrossword]

Klazo, I can cope with a slightly obscure definition if there's a nice normal one (instruments used...) so the clue is fine. The RTE clues are sometimes described as 'quirky' - I 'd sometimes describe them as dire and/or daft!

[klazomaniac]

Thanks for that Thewinner, Now I have memories of me in 6'' Tartan platforms with oxford bags on at 6 years old. lol
Thank god fashions have changed !

[klazomaniac]

''I 'd sometimes describe them as dire and/or daft''

Only SOMETIMES ?

I always have a stab to try and help the OP's on the RTE threads, But rarely do they make sense. I believe whoever the setters and editors are, They are completely inebriated or stoned and just having a laugh before they hit the boozer ! :-)

[TheWinner]

Those were the days, klazo.....

[Neveracrossword]

Klazo, i was being restrained - intemperate words on AB look even balder, starker, more critical! I'm glad someone share my views of the RTE clues - and they occasionally so bad that they're good!

Thanks, The Winner.

[klazomaniac]

Lol. My birth year. Yes, I'm a Monkey :-)

[klazomaniac]

''and they occasionally so bad that they're good! ''

I totally agree :-)

[TheWinner]

its always good to share offers with klazo and NAC, I appreciate you both.

[klazomaniac]

And I appreciate you mate :-)

[Neveracrossword]

TheWinner, thanks for that. A bit of banter, a bit of sparkling wit and repartee are all very welcome... but we can settle for AB chatter!

Klazo, the RTE clues can be extremely entertaining - and duff, inelegant, plainly wrong at times.

[klazomaniac]

But as you said 'they're sometimes so bad, they're good'
Sometimes I despair at the clues, Othertimes I laugh. When a clue makes me smile, I believe the setter has done a good job, When a clue makes me laugh, It's either brilliant or insane. Either way, I got the laugh :-)

[Neveracrossword]

Klazo, for 'styler', Chambers says ' a device for styling the hair' (style = set?h'mm). Chambers also has 'style - to arrange or dictate the fashion or style of', but with no agent noun for that (and with stylist- a person who creates or arranges a style, especiall in hairdressing'). I feel the definitions are a bit loose.