smoking ban, beer sales down

[tranmerekid]

Brit beer sales at lowest level since Depression
Pubs squeezed by smoking ban, rising costs and economic downturn

They will blame everything, but the truth is the smoking ban has caused pubs and clubs to close

liverpool brewery may have to close with the lose of over 1000 jobs.it has been open over 150 years

thanks brown

[legend_vivo1]

cider sales are up beer sales down .


more folk buying cheap beer from tescos adsas


20 cans in asda for a tenner or �2.5 or �3 a pint


thats the problem

[Ice.Maiden]

Turning good old traditional pubs into virtual restaurants isn't a good idea either.

[edukes]

I think the all the shut downs have a little bit to do with the fact that since the seventies, we have all become obsessed with our health. Though there has been 20% increase in pub closures since the ban.

[Sir Alec]

Whether people smoke in a pub or not should be up to the landlord, not Gordon Brown.

[tranmerekid]

legend there was a iverpool publican on the radio this morning. as soon as the ban came in his sales dropped and he stated that other pubs near him have close.


Tonight on the television the manager of cains brewery in liverpool stated that beer sales dropped as soon as the smoking ban came in.


a couple of pubs i use to visit on my travels have shut soon after the ban

if you smoke it is better to buy a few cans and stay in .you don't have to worry about getting home safe and you can watch what you want on the television.

you don't have to stand outside in the rain

[terambulan]

Most pubs and clubs are out-pricing themselves.......I know they get a third of their beer stock free and discount of up to 25pcent for wines and spirits. Yet, some charge 300pcent over cost price. They often have temporary/part-time staff so wages are minimal.

Either they down-size profits or lose customers. Most bars have 'one armed bandits' (sheer profit) and even the cig machine is profitable.

[tranmerekid]

the Liverpool publican was asked why he did not try to sell food. his answer was he was short of money and to invest more money into setting up a kitchen couls fail and if it failed he would be bankrupt in a couple of months.

[tranmerekid]

couls = could

[Ethel]

There are many reasons:

1. The economy - people are feeling the pinch and aren't spending as much

2. Drink / drive - people won't drive to pubs and taxis are more expensive now

3. Cheap booze in supermarkets

4. Land prices - pubs are being pulled down to make way for housing

5. Trouble. Many 'decent' people don't want to go out drinking at night for fear of getting into fights and witnessing other bad behaviour.

But pubs were closing long before the smoking ban, as were breweries. M&B sold off their large brewery in Birmingham 5 years ago to a housing company; Davenports sold out to Carlsberg in 1992 and the Birmingham brewery was sold for housing develpment.

In 2005, 26 pubs a month were closing:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4735503.stm

[Ice.Maiden]

Ethel's right, but I still think banning smoking's had the greatest impact to date. I know of a pub where they still allow it though. Even the village police officer goes in and has one. He says it's not a police matter, so.......

[tranmerekid]

ethel , all the publicans agree that the smoking ban has affected there trade.

last year 1,409 pubs closed ,almost 7 times more than 2006

[Ice.Maiden]

I don't smoke, but it's a ridiculous ban. When people smoked in pubs and clubs, they were full. Now you're lucky to find a dozen people in some places. Also, a lot of these places've turned into all but restaurants, so the traditional places, where folk used to have a few pints, a ciggie, play pool, darts, listen to some music - they're fast disappearing, but that's what people want - a social meeting place where they can relax for a bit. If people don't like smoke, that's fair enough. They should have smoking, and non-smoking pubs.

[tranmerekid]

ice maiden They should have smoking, and non-smoking pubs.

soon it will be to late