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Published emails and data reveal climate change con?
Emails from Climate Research Unit have been published by a hacker or inside leak. They reveal fudging of figures and collusion to supress or oust anyone who does not tow the man made global warming line.
For years the scientists proclaiming CO2 is the main cause of warming have been hiding the raw data in contravention of all established scientific procedure and this alone has made me doubt that they are telling the whole truth. Everytime data is released it contradicts or shows serious flaws with some warming models. Now we learn more and it is not pretty. Comments please.
See
http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/ - full list of documents
http://bishophill.squ...mate-cuttings-33.html - extracts and comments
http://www.devilskitc...ose-cru-emails-2.html - extracts and comments
Other dodgy dealings - http://wattsupwiththa...-new-book/#more-12930 - see their home page for more on the email leak.
For years the scientists proclaiming CO2 is the main cause of warming have been hiding the raw data in contravention of all established scientific procedure and this alone has made me doubt that they are telling the whole truth. Everytime data is released it contradicts or shows serious flaws with some warming models. Now we learn more and it is not pretty. Comments please.
See
http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/ - full list of documents
http://bishophill.squ...mate-cuttings-33.html - extracts and comments
http://www.devilskitc...ose-cru-emails-2.html - extracts and comments
Other dodgy dealings - http://wattsupwiththa...-new-book/#more-12930 - see their home page for more on the email leak.
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For more on marking an answer as the "Best Answer", please visit our FAQ.I think most people now see the 'global warming' argument as a money making exercise, both by the environmental groups and the so called 'developing nations' who are keen for cash hand outs. The BBC reported some weeks ago that data showing that the temperature of the Earth had been in fact cooling for the past 11 years was being suppressed.
I don't think that this should stop us from being more careful about how we pollute the Earth but we shouldn't be lied to or deceived.
I don't think that this should stop us from being more careful about how we pollute the Earth but we shouldn't be lied to or deceived.
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The AGW hypothesis is not simply that warming is occurring but that run-away, catastrophic warming is being caused by atmospheric CO2 produced by burning fossil fuels. This hypothesis fails in its every element.
The warming is NOT run-away –
We have been in a warming trend for 300 years and there is no evidence that it is accelerating. In fact the very best data on recent true global temperatures is the satellite measurements that have been recorded since 1979 (http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/ua
hncdc.lt)
and corroborated with high-altitude balloon and mountain top measurements. These data show about 0.1 degree C/decade.
The warming is not catastrophic –
it’s not like we’ve never seen these warming trends before. Whenever they’ve happened they’ve been a good thing for human development– the Bronze Age, the expansion of the Roman Empire, the High Middle Ages. Nothing catastrophic.
contd
The AGW hypothesis is not simply that warming is occurring but that run-away, catastrophic warming is being caused by atmospheric CO2 produced by burning fossil fuels. This hypothesis fails in its every element.
The warming is NOT run-away –
We have been in a warming trend for 300 years and there is no evidence that it is accelerating. In fact the very best data on recent true global temperatures is the satellite measurements that have been recorded since 1979 (http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/ua
hncdc.lt)
and corroborated with high-altitude balloon and mountain top measurements. These data show about 0.1 degree C/decade.
The warming is not catastrophic –
it’s not like we’ve never seen these warming trends before. Whenever they’ve happened they’ve been a good thing for human development– the Bronze Age, the expansion of the Roman Empire, the High Middle Ages. Nothing catastrophic.
contd
The warming is NOT caused by human-produced CO2 -
Even the warmists admit that the amount of additional heat trapped by the CO2 we’ve added to the atmosphere is not enough to cause the warming they’re predicting. They have to have feedbacks, but they just aren’t there. If fact CO2 lags temperature trends. What is driving global temperature? Scarfetta and West in their peer-reviewed paper (J. Geophys. Res. 112, 2007) show with robust statistical analysis that 69% of the warming in the last century can be attributed to the Sun. The rest is related to ocean currents and volcanic activity. The CO2 greenhouse effect is in the noise.
I’ve lived and worked in the earth science community for 40 years. There is NO majority of scientists or mountain of evidence supporting AGW. The idea that there is has been concocted by the process exposed in these CRU emails. It’s not just the single “hide the decline” email, although that is damning enough. There is a clear effort to use the review process to suppress competing science. And worse than the data-fudging emails are the ones showing their efforts to use the distorted data to influence public officials.
Even the warmists admit that the amount of additional heat trapped by the CO2 we’ve added to the atmosphere is not enough to cause the warming they’re predicting. They have to have feedbacks, but they just aren’t there. If fact CO2 lags temperature trends. What is driving global temperature? Scarfetta and West in their peer-reviewed paper (J. Geophys. Res. 112, 2007) show with robust statistical analysis that 69% of the warming in the last century can be attributed to the Sun. The rest is related to ocean currents and volcanic activity. The CO2 greenhouse effect is in the noise.
I’ve lived and worked in the earth science community for 40 years. There is NO majority of scientists or mountain of evidence supporting AGW. The idea that there is has been concocted by the process exposed in these CRU emails. It’s not just the single “hide the decline” email, although that is damning enough. There is a clear effort to use the review process to suppress competing science. And worse than the data-fudging emails are the ones showing their efforts to use the distorted data to influence public officials.
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