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chokkie | 09:49 Sun 07th Mar 2010 | Crosswords
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completely stuck on the last two ...
5a make rough version of a score before noon (7) c?a?s??
8d these characters aren't involved with us (7) ??t?r?s

Thanks, Chox
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Many thanks for your prompt response. Chox.

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