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Cameron To Conduct An 'open Door' Policy To All Of India's Students.
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Since we are already facing an influx of immigrants from Eastern Europe, plus the fact that our own graduates are finding it increasingly difficult to find a job, is this a wise move?
Since we are already facing an influx of immigrants from Eastern Europe, plus the fact that our own graduates are finding it increasingly difficult to find a job, is this a wise move?
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/// I may be reading this wrong, but don't the potential students have to have gained entry to a British university first? ///
No problem it seems, one the universalities gain more in fees from foreign students and secondly there are 'ways and means' as it is a known fact that others do not play by the same rules as we do.
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/// Since 2006, the number of foreign students has risen by a third to almost 300,000. Teenagers from China represent the highest proportion of overseas students. At the same time the number of British students missing out on a university place reached a record high last year of 180,000. ///
/// I may be reading this wrong, but don't the potential students have to have gained entry to a British university first? ///
No problem it seems, one the universalities gain more in fees from foreign students and secondly there are 'ways and means' as it is a known fact that others do not play by the same rules as we do.
Read on.
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/// Since 2006, the number of foreign students has risen by a third to almost 300,000. Teenagers from China represent the highest proportion of overseas students. At the same time the number of British students missing out on a university place reached a record high last year of 180,000. ///
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as it is a known fact that others do not play by the same rules as we do.
Sorry, who are you talking about? Are you referring to other British universities? If so, 'other' to whom?
And further to the Telegraph article - what's the answer? A cap on foreign students, and a rise in fees to British students because the £9,000 doesn't cover costs universities incur in running courses.
It seems like there needs to be a balancing act...either we limit foreign students and raise fees which will may off British students, or we accept the foreign students knowing that their placements might impact places for UK-born students.
Doesn't it seem more like an issue of financial logistics?
as it is a known fact that others do not play by the same rules as we do.
Sorry, who are you talking about? Are you referring to other British universities? If so, 'other' to whom?
And further to the Telegraph article - what's the answer? A cap on foreign students, and a rise in fees to British students because the £9,000 doesn't cover costs universities incur in running courses.
It seems like there needs to be a balancing act...either we limit foreign students and raise fees which will may off British students, or we accept the foreign students knowing that their placements might impact places for UK-born students.
Doesn't it seem more like an issue of financial logistics?
sp1814
/// Sorry, who are you talking about? Are you referring to other British universities? If so, 'other' to whom? ///
I was referring to other countries, and some of their nationals.
/// Undercover reporters were also told to tell the UK authorities that the student would be returning home immediately after graduation - even if that was not their intention – in order to secure a visa. ///
/// The undercover reporters were referred to another employee of Golden Arrow who offered to doctor documents to help the student’s application, including paperwork required to obtain a visa to study in Britain. Assistance with the personal statement that each student is required to fill in was also available. ///
/// Sorry, who are you talking about? Are you referring to other British universities? If so, 'other' to whom? ///
I was referring to other countries, and some of their nationals.
/// Undercover reporters were also told to tell the UK authorities that the student would be returning home immediately after graduation - even if that was not their intention – in order to secure a visa. ///
/// The undercover reporters were referred to another employee of Golden Arrow who offered to doctor documents to help the student’s application, including paperwork required to obtain a visa to study in Britain. Assistance with the personal statement that each student is required to fill in was also available. ///
No, but then when in opposition the new Tory leader (DC having been binned) will be able to do what the Labour Party id doing now - that is castigating the government for having to take harsh measures in order to undo all of the damage done by the previous administration. Meanwhile, of course, the government places the blame on the need for those measures on their predecessors.
Remember the outgoing Chief Secretary to the Treasury's note to his successor, proudly announcing "I'm afraid there's no money left"? (You may also remember the recipient of that note, one David Laws, a man, we were told, the government could barely function without. He was promptly sacked for fiddling after a few weeks and, amazingly, government carried on perfectly well withour him).
It's called politics. It's what politicians make their living at. And it does the country (and more importantly the people in it who pay for all this nonsense to take place) absolutely no good whatsoever.
Remember the outgoing Chief Secretary to the Treasury's note to his successor, proudly announcing "I'm afraid there's no money left"? (You may also remember the recipient of that note, one David Laws, a man, we were told, the government could barely function without. He was promptly sacked for fiddling after a few weeks and, amazingly, government carried on perfectly well withour him).
It's called politics. It's what politicians make their living at. And it does the country (and more importantly the people in it who pay for all this nonsense to take place) absolutely no good whatsoever.
I'm afraid NJ you may not have missed the true meaning and irony of than note:
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It has similarities to the note reportedly left by the Conservative Reggie Maudling to Labour's Jim Callaghan when he became chancellor in 1964, which said: "Sorry to leave it in such a mess."
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It has similarities to the note reportedly left by the Conservative Reggie Maudling to Labour's Jim Callaghan when he became chancellor in 1964, which said: "Sorry to leave it in such a mess."
Precisely, jake.
The "irony" you mention demonstrates my point perfecly. So Liam Byrne recycles a 46 year old joke which originated six years before he was born, which wasn't funny then and is even less so now. All so that he can childishly say "Gotcha back!"
Politicians in this country are not interested in the well-being of the nation. Because their own shortcomings and failures are so plentiful all they can do is point out with childish glee how bad the other lot are - as if we didn't know. I don't often agree with George Galloway but on QT last night he described Party Politics as a "three cheeked backside" and suggested politicians spend 50% of their time on holiday and the remainder filling in their expenses forms. He was almost right. He forgot to mention their childish point-scoring which is costing the electorate dearly.
The "irony" you mention demonstrates my point perfecly. So Liam Byrne recycles a 46 year old joke which originated six years before he was born, which wasn't funny then and is even less so now. All so that he can childishly say "Gotcha back!"
Politicians in this country are not interested in the well-being of the nation. Because their own shortcomings and failures are so plentiful all they can do is point out with childish glee how bad the other lot are - as if we didn't know. I don't often agree with George Galloway but on QT last night he described Party Politics as a "three cheeked backside" and suggested politicians spend 50% of their time on holiday and the remainder filling in their expenses forms. He was almost right. He forgot to mention their childish point-scoring which is costing the electorate dearly.
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