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Abuse Of Nhs By Foreigners.
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>>>so should we let the children of illegal immigrants die instead?
That is not what they are saying.
Anyone who comes here OFFICIALLY (working visa, holiday etc) MUST have travel insurance.
However the trouble is if they just turn up at an NHS hospital for treatment will anybody bother to check that or make a note on it.
The NHS has traditionally been very bad at collecting any money from people, yet hospitals in other countries have "pay desks" where people have to pay for treatment before they get it.
That is not what they are saying.
Anyone who comes here OFFICIALLY (working visa, holiday etc) MUST have travel insurance.
However the trouble is if they just turn up at an NHS hospital for treatment will anybody bother to check that or make a note on it.
The NHS has traditionally been very bad at collecting any money from people, yet hospitals in other countries have "pay desks" where people have to pay for treatment before they get it.
woofgang, there are people who come here JUST for hospital treatment, and cost the NHS thousands (sometimes hundreds of thousands) of pounds in treatment.
Then they fly home without contributing a penny.
Why should you and I pay our taxes to pay for a person from Egypt to come here and have £60,000 of hernia treatment for free.
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The UK as a country needs to be run like a business. As a country we are in competition with every other country in the world for work, for jobs and so on.
We cant keep "giving away" things and putting ourselves more and more in debt as a country.
Try going to the USA and getting thousands of pounds of hospital treatment for nothing (not that I hold the USA up as a good example of fair medical treatment).
Then they fly home without contributing a penny.
Why should you and I pay our taxes to pay for a person from Egypt to come here and have £60,000 of hernia treatment for free.
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The UK as a country needs to be run like a business. As a country we are in competition with every other country in the world for work, for jobs and so on.
We cant keep "giving away" things and putting ourselves more and more in debt as a country.
Try going to the USA and getting thousands of pounds of hospital treatment for nothing (not that I hold the USA up as a good example of fair medical treatment).
I will back any effort to make this country better and especially any effort to make it better in all those aspects where people tell lies and cheat the system. I only had to take my mother (she was visiting me from Pakistan) once to see my GP as she had complication in breathing (she over near 80 but generally very healthy). I paid £50 to the GP (at reception) and I am quite prepared to do so again if I will have to.
Abuse of the NHS by foreigners is not really a big problem. It is totally insignificant. There are far more import things the country needs to sort out. The Government probably spends more on paperclips than the country loses treating foreigners.
But people perceive it as a bigger problem than it is, and one trick ponies like UKiP exploit that. If UKiP truly cared about the British people, it would be making policies about increasing the minimum wage or improving elderly care. Instead, it fiddles with pointless trivia to get headlines.
But people perceive it as a bigger problem than it is, and one trick ponies like UKiP exploit that. If UKiP truly cared about the British people, it would be making policies about increasing the minimum wage or improving elderly care. Instead, it fiddles with pointless trivia to get headlines.
Gromit...yes! yes! Toni mention £12 million, but other estimates have been double that figure....nobody really knows.
Get away from your statistics just once and ask the people on the " ground" particularly GP's and they will give you quite another picture.
You may not describe it as a " big problem" but others consider it a " significant " problem".
Get away from your statistics just once and ask the people on the " ground" particularly GP's and they will give you quite another picture.
You may not describe it as a " big problem" but others consider it a " significant " problem".
Many hospitals are overburdened and do issue invoices and recover the money because of the time and administration involved.
// Under UKIP's plans, migrants would have to provide their insurance details when they registered with a GP and the costs of any treatment would be recovered from insurers by the NHS. //
If the NHS cannot produce an Invoice, are they going to deal with an insurance claim and all the admin that involves, I doubt it. Fail.
And would setting up such a scheme cost more than the £12million that is currently lost though health tourism? Yes it would. Fail.
// Under UKIP's plans, migrants would have to provide their insurance details when they registered with a GP and the costs of any treatment would be recovered from insurers by the NHS. //
If the NHS cannot produce an Invoice, are they going to deal with an insurance claim and all the admin that involves, I doubt it. Fail.
And would setting up such a scheme cost more than the £12million that is currently lost though health tourism? Yes it would. Fail.
Sqad
// In 2011-12, the NHS officially spent £33m on treating foreign nationals, £21m of which was recovered. This means that just £12m, or 0.01 per cent of the health service's £109bn annual budget, was lost to "health tourists". In March, when David Cameron raised the issue in his speech on immigration, Hunt claimed the true figure was £200m but produced no evidence to support his claim. But even if we accept the Health Secretary's estimate, this figure accounts for just 0.18 per cent of the NHS budget and that's before we take into account the savings made from British nationals using foreign health services and the administrative cost of the new "crackdown". //
// In 2011-12, the NHS officially spent £33m on treating foreign nationals, £21m of which was recovered. This means that just £12m, or 0.01 per cent of the health service's £109bn annual budget, was lost to "health tourists". In March, when David Cameron raised the issue in his speech on immigration, Hunt claimed the true figure was £200m but produced no evidence to support his claim. But even if we accept the Health Secretary's estimate, this figure accounts for just 0.18 per cent of the NHS budget and that's before we take into account the savings made from British nationals using foreign health services and the administrative cost of the new "crackdown". //
woofgang
/// so should we let the children of illegal immigrants die instead? ///
Ah the old 'plucking at heart strings' ploy again, but didn't you forget to include women also?
"women and children first" and all that.
Isn't it the responsibility for the parents to provide health insurance for their children? We do when we go abroad.
/// so should we let the children of illegal immigrants die instead? ///
Ah the old 'plucking at heart strings' ploy again, but didn't you forget to include women also?
"women and children first" and all that.
Isn't it the responsibility for the parents to provide health insurance for their children? We do when we go abroad.
Sqad
But if the idea is to save money, but the solution costs more than the savings, the we will be wasting MORE money not less.
But apart from that, the solution will not work. If the NHS is too busy to issue an invoice, it will be too busy to persue an insurance claim.
Just a daft policy to appeal to the bigots.
But if the idea is to save money, but the solution costs more than the savings, the we will be wasting MORE money not less.
But apart from that, the solution will not work. If the NHS is too busy to issue an invoice, it will be too busy to persue an insurance claim.
Just a daft policy to appeal to the bigots.
great idea trouble is the money spent by the NHS on them is insignificant compared to the money fiddled by some of them in benefits.
the sooner people accept the reasons why most of them are and have been flooding into this country the sooner a stop can be put on it.
If we didnt have benefits and NHS the vast majority of them from the last 50 or so years wouldnt even have thought about coming here and we wouldnt even be having this conversation
At least UKIP are willing to address the problem unlike other parties , specifically labour who have actively encouraged it over the years and are mainly responsible for cultural mess we are in.
the sooner people accept the reasons why most of them are and have been flooding into this country the sooner a stop can be put on it.
If we didnt have benefits and NHS the vast majority of them from the last 50 or so years wouldnt even have thought about coming here and we wouldnt even be having this conversation
At least UKIP are willing to address the problem unlike other parties , specifically labour who have actively encouraged it over the years and are mainly responsible for cultural mess we are in.
Gromit.....those are YOUR figures based on reports that support YOUR argument.......which is your usual modes operandi and many others on AB to be fair. Nobody has ANY ideas as to what figures are involved and hence no idea if it would save money or not.
Money apart....logic comes into play...sure surely.
Money apart....logic comes into play...sure surely.
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