Study The Bible.

[Theland]

Those who mock the bible don't know the first thing about it. Inconsistencies appear due to simply not knowing the whole text. The prophecies are coming true right now, and the numbers and messages in the bible just need a little commitment and digging to reveal its glorious truth.
Don't let the opportunity for salvation pass you by.
God wants to change your life right now. Will you try and bring yourself to read the message of Jesus Christ and ignore the mockers and blasphemer?

[1ozzy]

Apparently the Bible is approximately 2700 years old, just a tad older than JC.
The prophecies have been coming true for many a year, supposedly.

Guess one day the prophecies may well do become true

So may the prophecies of Nostradamus.

[vetuste_ennemi]

//Don't let the opportunity for salvation pass you by.
God wants to change your life right now. Will you try and bring yourself to read the message of Jesus Christ?//

Concerning the "opportunity" I'll try not, Theland.

As for the specifics, what changes must I make? Where do I "read the message"?

[Theland]

God tells us our problem is sin. All have sinned. The penalty is eternal separation from God. Death to satisfy Gods perfect justice. God loves us and paid the penalty for all who with a contrite heart will receive by Gods grace the free gift of forgiveness.

[waterboatman]

Why do you insist on trying to foist your beliefs on the rest of us theland. You're welcome to believe what you like, but please keep it to yourself.

[nailit]

//Those who mock the bible don't know the first thing about it.//
On the contrary Theland, those that 'mock' the bible know a lot more than you. By your own admission, you have not read a large portion of it while 'mockers' like me have read it in its entirety .

[vulcan42]

nailit, you and I don't live in the same world as Theland. His admittance to not reading portions of the bible is very useful because he can then ignore, and therefore not have to explain, the inconsistencies, ambiguities and contradictions in it. His reply to your reading the entire bible will be the same answer as given by keyplus 90, we may have read it but don't understand it.

[HansUrbancka]

Give up Theland, unless you feel confident to answer satisfactorilly all questions that are thrown at you by us non-believers.

Incidentally, if you believe that Jesus was the son of God, perhaps you are able to point me to a place in the Bible where Jesus claimed that he was.

Hans.

[naomi24]

You're an tormented, unhappy man, Theland.

[Khandro]

What is really significant is that it is Sunday morning and there are at least two threads running discussing the bible and religious belief.
Great! and just as it should be :0)

As one of my famous preacher ancestors said to a crowd which contained some who had be paid to come to mock him, "It doesn't matter why you are here, all that matters is that you are".

[Old_Geezer]

I see no reason to study myths, or fiction generally for that matter.
Study is for facts, science etc..

[atalanta]

I have read almost all of the bible, OT and NT. ( Bit shaky about Micah and Amos, mind you.) I have particularly studied the bit where j christ says "I come not to bring peace but the sword". I quite like the idea of a religion of peace rather than one of the sword, violence, war, and constant strife. Is that an opportunity for salvation ? Is that god's promise to change my life for the better ? Is that a glorious truth ?
I'll bet that's one bit you didn't read, or didn't want to believe.

[sandyRoe]

You're preaching to the goodly unGodly here. It would be better by far if you took your message about sin to a real den of iniquity, the Palace of Westminster.

[Khandro]

atalanta; Matthew 10:34–36 describes Jesus telling the disciples that He came not to bring peace to the world, but a sword. Jesus’ "sword" was never a literal one, where was he ever described as holding one? In fact, when Peter took up a sword to defend Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane, Jesus rebuked him and told him to put away his sword, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword”
It was not a real sword, it was the sword of the spirit.

[HansUrbancka]

Sorry Khandro but, when it comes to discussing Religion, both you and Theland talk a lot of nonsense. In fact, I wonder if either of you are speaking your own thoughts or those of folk who have indoctrinated the both of you.

Hans.

[Khandro]

Hans; Have I been "indoctrinated"? I believe you use the word in a pejorative sense, - definitely not! but I have learnt a lot from greater minds, teachers and others and am still, though in fairly advanced years, learning all the time.
You sound as though you have reached blissful enlightenment all by yourself - full marks, well done!

[atalanta]

Khandro - you dispute the fact that "The sword" might mean a real sword. But the bit which still worries me is "NOT peace." You can't say that's metaphorical. I'll stick to peace, you stick to "not peace " if you can justify "not peace".
"Sword of the spirit" - my foot.

[HansUrbancka]

//You sound as though you have reached blissful enlightenment all by yourself - full marks, well done!//

Actually I was educated in a very religious school along with three Ethiopian Princes... nephews of Haile Selassie, the then Emperor of
Abyssinia, who was endeavoring to convert his country into a predominantly Christian state. However, being a person who could Not accept teachings which were based on the Bible (John c 3 v 16), I thought very hard about matters and,in search of what you call enlightenment, I became a Unitarian and served two terms of three years each on a Church Committee. However, after six years wasted, I became an Agnostic and have now settled for being an Atheist

It would be interesting to know Khandro what your path was to having obtained a 'passport to paradise'. The same goes for Theland.

Hans.

[andy-hughes]

Theland - your persistence is as admirable as it is pointless.

I have said before, but it does bear repeating - intelligent people do not appreciate being talked down to.

That applies to you and Goodlife.

If you want people to see what you see, a good starting point would be to drop the patronising attitude.

[Muntin]

People on here are fairly patient with you, Theland, but are growing weary of your attitude and failure to engage on a respectful level.
You write 'The prophecies are coming true right now...'
Once again, would you give one, just one, example?

[Khandro]

Hans; The only passport I have is British/European Union one, and I can't find a paradise visa in it.