Goodbye, Salvini.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Ave (or is it salve?) atque vale, signor Salvini - to quote a distant ancestor in the last days of the Roman republic before the Caesarean Junckers took over and destroyed the freedoms which had been gradually evolving since the expulsion of Etruscan kings.

Surprised that I haven't seen a thread on this surprising realignment of Italian politics.

https://www.vox.com/2019/8/28/20837067/italy-new-government-five-star-movement-salvini

[Buenchico]

>>> Surprised that I haven't seen a thread on this surprising realignment of Italian politics

Most Brits don't seem to be interested in politics beyond those of the UK and the USA. Further, even my friends who live in Italy can't make head nor tail out of Italian politics!

[vetuste_ennemi]

Italy is at the front line of the "refugee" crisis, Buenchico.

Salvini does not think that Italy should be the dumping ground for illegal migrants who at the very best will be economic parasites. Orban apart, he seems to be the single European politician who thinks Europe is better off without them.

[vetuste_ennemi]

...and for that reason I'm surprised that people here are not more interested.

[Zacs-Master]

‘Ave (or is it salve?) atque vale, signor Salvini - to quote a distant ancestor in the last days of the Roman republic’

And today’s prize for anachronistic bowlarks goes to.....

[douglas9401]

Is that your fiery Latin temperament showing, ZAM?

[Peter Pedant]

// even my friends who live in Italy can't make head nor tail out of Italian politics!//

well they had clocked up over a hundred govts 1945-65
so every one er got tired....
everyone got a go and was equally bad

only a few stand out - Aldo Moro shot
Bettino Craxi took back handers
the one lira coin was almost worthless and so parents encouraged their under fives to throw handfuls of lira at Craxi as he walked down the strada

La Cicciolina ( chee cho leena) was an MP and stripper and offered to go to bed wizz the prime minister if he .....
cicciolina means kissy kissy

[Zacs-Master]

Si. questo persona mi fa ribollire il sangue!

[Zacs-Master]

Indeed, PP. quoting the policies of one Italian PM is like a polar bear deciding which chunk of ice is best to land on.

[Peter Pedant]

anyway it
arrivederci
innit

not arrive and derch - it meants "at the re-seeing..."
vedere - see - - rivedere - see again
arr - let eed become.....

as in - - - arrivederci beeeemba
(baby)

[Peter Pedant]

ribollire

eed has boiled once already has it ?

[Peter Pedant]

whats with everyone suddenly understanding my forrin language posts

whilst we wunderstand ..
can I point out that there are some awful mixed metaphors in that post. ave atque salve didnt end with the Republic

caesar is yoked ( zeugma ) with junckers - the C19 ruling class in Imperial Germany

and Etruscan kings about which we know little get a look-in and then shuffle on

but hey ho it is a thursday night on AB

[vetuste_ennemi]

I see our little friend Pet is lying again.

Ave atque vale is a quote from Catullus.

The Res Publica became an imperial dynasty formed by the Julian and Claudian gens (see Suetonius).

The res publica began with the expulsion of Tarquinius Superbus (Lays of Ancient Rome, anybody? By which I don't mean Augustus' daughter, nor Claudius' wife).

[vetuste_ennemi]

Oops, I should have said gentes.

[vetuste_ennemi]

(Unlike Common Purpose Pet who probably studied formally till he was twenty-five, VE left school at the age of sixteen after just one year in sixth form. The massive deficiency in both my formal education and, I readily admit, my native intelligence, are not things for which I ask special treatment. What I would care to ask, however, is that what I assert as facts are not dismissed as fabrications by a superior being who has decided to classify me for the amusement of people who attend Bedlam as an ignorant moron. I allow that that my assertions may be wrong, of course. And would happily be corrected when they are.)

Sadly just another normal Thursday on Peter Pedant.

[ichkeria]

Serves him right for his opportunism.
Cynically exploited weaknesses in his ruling coalition in order to try and become PM. The speech by the outgoing PM in the Italian Parliament was a classic.