Covid- Interesting Stats

[fiction-factory]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52616080
"People working in social care in England and Wales have been twice as likely to die with coronavirus as the general working-age population, Office for National Statistics figures show.
But healthcare workers have been no more likely to die than other workers."
I touched on this last week following an analysis on More or Less of death rates among Health workers compared to other workers.
The result is surprising given the higher risk of encountering the virus in hospitals than outside or at home, and the higher proportion of BAME's in NHS, but maybe this is offset by the fact that doctors are probably healthier and more hygiene conscious than other workers overall.

I still admire them for doing what they do- I am a wimp in comparison in not wanting to share a classroom with 30 coughing children

The figures for care workers are not surprising- except that I thought they might be even higher if anything.

[KARL]

Is not the oft mentioned PPE perhaps central to the difference ?

[youngmafbog]

But it does raise a question on why some are considered 'heroes' and warrant clapping like seals every week when there is no more risk - PPE or not.

Interestingly there have been no deaths for those working in ICU.

[Barsel]

"Interestingly there have been no deaths for those working in ICU."
I should imagine they are very well protected.

[youngmafbog]

One would hope so, but mistakes can be made - as simple as pricking yourself etc. If this disease was such a killer you would expect one or two deaths and a much higher rate in the NHS. But there isnt.

Still, I think it is too early at the moment to start drawing any conclusions. Next year will probably be a better time , then we can see how the deaths over the year compare with previous years and also look at the categories of people, jobs and where they live.

[Peter Pedant]

I think I will have to wait for more clver people to interpret the figures given
the oNS stats are available and are pretty opaque - written for people who regularly look at them

[like I wanted the life expectancy of someone aged 80 - thatis how long they were likjely to live for having hit 80 ( 5y I think ) and it is not the same as what is the average life expectancy today ( 82 - because some have already died]

The are obvioiusly confounding variables but deciding which they are and if they contribute is for the experts
I can see that BAMEs die more but not why more afro-caribbeans than indians - nor even more incredibly more pakistanis than indians which of course will partition as hindu/muslim - but from the same place.

give up on this one ..... for now

[Peter Pedant]

partition as muslim/hindu = apolz to any outraged posters

[Gromit]

// The overall death rate for men aged 20-64 in England and Wales linked to Covid-19 was 9.9 deaths per 100,000, compared with 5.2 for women.
For male security guards, it was 45.7. //

I wonder why guards are so high ?

[fiction-factory]

It is an interesting statistic. It may just be that it was such a small group that a cluster of localised cases -say in one prison or because they all attended the same staff meeting/social event- or just coincidences could have caused it, but maybe there is something about the role and lack of PPE. Maybe Covid is more prevalent in prisons than we realise

[pixie374]

We have known since the beginning, that men were at least twice as likely to die from it. Which is not unusual in general. That seems to have got higher, even though the majority of key workers are female. But, it isn't all down to PPE, I'm sure, as the majority of care homes around here at least, can't get enough and are often working without. My sister and I haven't been able to get any at all.
The higher risks are genetic, rather than circumstantial, I'm sure.

[Peter Pedant]

the position confuses me

Pakistan has a much higher infection rate than India
and they are both kinda overcrowsed and poor

also Egypt which was pretty dirt poor and must be starving now that the tourists have gone and wont be back for years
has had around 5000 cases and 500 deaths

the reasons for these variations ar ebeyond me TBH

[Peter Pedant]

// We have known since the beginning,//oops men more than women

Men more than women, fat people, old, and those half dead in the first place - came out very early on in the first reviews of the first 500 cases from Jan

and very little since then - we have a very high case fatality ratio of possibly around 15% - and Germany doesnt but Belgium does - and France
we know that if you remain ill after five days then you may make it to Hospital where about 50% die
we have no idea why some people do this - who they are ( identify as at risk) and whether you can vary it