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What Can Labour Do To Have A Chance Of Ousting The Tories At Next Election?
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It's going to be seriously difficult.
Although the current government have made some massive mistakes in their handling of the Covid crisis, the electorate tend to be forgiving, and I don't believe that will be held against them.
The main problem is the sheer shambles that Jeremy Corbyn presided over, where his own peculiar vision of a Britain that never actually existed, and his will to try and return to it, was utterly at odds with the genuinely aspiration culture that has seized core Labour voters.
Aspiration to Corbyn and his band of London-centric out of touch theoretical socialists was like a cross to a vampire, and the utter misjudgement of his core support, coupled with the sheer fantasy of the policies they offered, which failed to fool the public for a second, meant that they were roundly humiliated and cast into the political wilderness.
In fairness, they did the right thing and jettisoned Corbyn, who was utterly unelectable since day one, and brought in someone with a semblance of common sense and reality.
That said, Starma is going to struggle to put together a feasible alternative to the Conservatives,and then fight it past the remaining Corbynistas, and attempt to get it into a manifesto.
Unless the Labour Party returns to Planet Earth and deals with the electorate as it actually is, and not as though it is still some fantasy of 'working class solidarity', they will remain unelectable for the forseeable future.
It's down to Starma to get them out of that mindset, and I think he has a formidable, possibly impossible task on his hands.
Although the current government have made some massive mistakes in their handling of the Covid crisis, the electorate tend to be forgiving, and I don't believe that will be held against them.
The main problem is the sheer shambles that Jeremy Corbyn presided over, where his own peculiar vision of a Britain that never actually existed, and his will to try and return to it, was utterly at odds with the genuinely aspiration culture that has seized core Labour voters.
Aspiration to Corbyn and his band of London-centric out of touch theoretical socialists was like a cross to a vampire, and the utter misjudgement of his core support, coupled with the sheer fantasy of the policies they offered, which failed to fool the public for a second, meant that they were roundly humiliated and cast into the political wilderness.
In fairness, they did the right thing and jettisoned Corbyn, who was utterly unelectable since day one, and brought in someone with a semblance of common sense and reality.
That said, Starma is going to struggle to put together a feasible alternative to the Conservatives,and then fight it past the remaining Corbynistas, and attempt to get it into a manifesto.
Unless the Labour Party returns to Planet Earth and deals with the electorate as it actually is, and not as though it is still some fantasy of 'working class solidarity', they will remain unelectable for the forseeable future.
It's down to Starma to get them out of that mindset, and I think he has a formidable, possibly impossible task on his hands.
Yes, as AH says, it’s all well and good having a shiny new sensible sounding leader but still have that hideous unionised, socialist underbelly. Still, in 4 years time a number of people who remember the catastrophe of past Labour Govt’s will be fewer, and the new voters who know very little of their workings will be greater, so who knows.
ynna - // The British people dont like anti-semites(or Jew haters) as a whole,Andy.Corbyn came across as an anti-semite and a terrorist supporter.If the Labour Party had a proper leader in the 2019 election they would have won. //
As repugnant as the views of far too many party members were - and the complete ideological blindness of Corbyn and his cohorts in addressing the issue - I still believe that it was his overall Jackanory vision of what socialism actually means in this country today, as opposed to the reality, which was a galaxy away from the cloth-cap and clogs nonsense that Corbyn dreamed could still be an alternative society.
That and is competely unprepossessing personality - people close to him confirm that he has never read a book in his life that was not connected to politics in some way - and the supporters with whom he surrounded himself, the dreaful Diane Abbot springs to mind - meant that he was unelectable from the day he was selected.
The vagiaries of the party electoral system meant that they were saddled with a leader who was almost as unelectable as Michael Foot - the party has yet to topple his reputation as the most out-of-touch political leader this country has ever seen - and as I mentioned, it is going to take some serious work to get the reputation of the party back to a level where it can even be considered as a serious prospect for governing this country.
As repugnant as the views of far too many party members were - and the complete ideological blindness of Corbyn and his cohorts in addressing the issue - I still believe that it was his overall Jackanory vision of what socialism actually means in this country today, as opposed to the reality, which was a galaxy away from the cloth-cap and clogs nonsense that Corbyn dreamed could still be an alternative society.
That and is competely unprepossessing personality - people close to him confirm that he has never read a book in his life that was not connected to politics in some way - and the supporters with whom he surrounded himself, the dreaful Diane Abbot springs to mind - meant that he was unelectable from the day he was selected.
The vagiaries of the party electoral system meant that they were saddled with a leader who was almost as unelectable as Michael Foot - the party has yet to topple his reputation as the most out-of-touch political leader this country has ever seen - and as I mentioned, it is going to take some serious work to get the reputation of the party back to a level where it can even be considered as a serious prospect for governing this country.
They have a mountain to climb with Starmer as leader:-
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I think the problem that the current Labour Party faces is that they don't have a Tony Blair. Makes no difference what you think of him - he knew how to win a general election or three! I don't even know who the current Labour Party are for. I think that part of the problem is that the working class of the past no longer exists, for the most part.
BTW, what did the OP do to get put on the naughty step?
BTW, what did the OP do to get put on the naughty step?
Andy.If the Labour Party had a sensible leader after the 2016 referendum,then perhaps the country wouldnt be in the state it is.They got a total useless eejit.A terrorist supporting anti-semite.A sensible leader might have fought off the worst excesses of the Tory Party.Not Corbyn.I blame him for the state our country is in now.Hell mend him and his Momentum eejits.
Boris's promise to deliver Brexit is what got him support from Labour 'Strongholds' - including my home town, Burnley, who last voted in a Tory MP was in 1910. So i would imagine a much closer election next time around, maybe even dependent on just how fresh in the memory the Government's performance during Covid is.
Who could have predicted the turn of world events shortly after the last election?
There is plenty of time for something to happen which could swing the next towards the Labour party. I don't know what that could look like but proclaiming *now* that it couldn't or wouldn't happen *then* is foolish and arrogant in the extreme.
As regards the OP perhaps his ill-advised comments have hurled him into the dungeon, or it could be that his identity is apparent to someone with the power to send him there?
There is plenty of time for something to happen which could swing the next towards the Labour party. I don't know what that could look like but proclaiming *now* that it couldn't or wouldn't happen *then* is foolish and arrogant in the extreme.
As regards the OP perhaps his ill-advised comments have hurled him into the dungeon, or it could be that his identity is apparent to someone with the power to send him there?
Get a leader that's likable would be a good start, they still haven't got one, that said I really think at the moment most don't care two hoots who's in charge, because its not going to make much difference. There's only one thing in charge at the moment, and its neither con or lab, and there's only one thing that people are concerned about, or upper most on their mind.
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