Is Politics Shifting Unnoticed?

[naomi24]

With Boris Johnson's huge victory bolstered by ex-Labour voters in the last General Election and now an exclusive Telegraph poll which reveals that 81 per cent of the nearly 60,000 readers who voted said that Lee Anderson was right to join Reform UK, is the political scene shifting away from its now ineffectual tedium?   Could it be that both Labour and the Conservatives are going to be in for a shock next time around?

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/12/reform-uk-lee-anderson-general-election-conservatives-poll/

[ToraToraTora]

I do think there is a bit of annoyance with TINO and LINO. People are getting wise to the silly net zero BS for example and are sick of paying the price for something that cannot possibly make any difference. Both main parties are guilty of the "In Name Only" assignation. Overall though it wont make any difference. Smaller parties can make a dent  percentage wise but they get very few seats.

[naomi24]

I really hope it happens, TTT.  

[davebro3]

Hope springs eternal as they say, but I won't hold my breath.

If politicians would align with their conscience & beliefs rather than with outdated party affiliation & self-interest it would be a whole different ball game.

[Gromit]

No. 
people in the UK will not elect a far right party. UKIP failed at general elections, and Reform will do the same.

The former red walk will revert to Labour. Most of the Conservative MPs in those seats have tiny minorities. 

[naomi24]

Gromit, but people in northern Labour seats did the unthinkable when they voted Conservative so we know it can happen.  They may not regard Reform as 'far right' as you do - because it isn't - but simply as a common sense alternative that is so desperately needed in this country.  If people have any sense at all they will abandon long-held but now futile loyalties to parties that no longer represent them and recognise that no-hope Labour is a disaster waiting to happen - and more of the same isn't a good option either.  With a bit of luck a metaphorical kick in the nether regions will give the arrogantly complacent something to really think about.

[drmorgans]

 

The Red Wall were unhappy with the Beardie Man experiment and liked "taking back control". Bozo was charismatic but Truss was a disaster and Rishi, he a rich posh boy who aint got a clue. Labour will do better, not least because of the perceived competence of Starmer and his team. And they will make gains in Scotland.

I can't see the point of a coup. Why not wait until the elections disaster then have a bloodletting?

 

 

[davebro3]

// perceived competence of Starmer and his team//

Are you having a laugh?

[woofas]

Heard an old one (but new to me) this morning:

"Goverments are like nappies, they need changing regularly - and for the same reason!"

[naomi24]

//Are you having a laugh?//

 

I think he must be, dave.

[youngmafbog]

Reform wont win, probably wont get any seats but that makes them ideal for a protest vote hence they are likley to have my vote.

As for the claim they are far right, I suppose if you are a communist they are but the reality is they are more what is termed a 'populist' Party.  Of course the title is usually used by the illiberal left to cast some sort of cloud over them but what it really means is they are a party that is listening to what is being said on the ground(usually the silent majority) and saying what they want to hear. 

Odd I know that a Party should listen to a majority!

[Peter Pedant]

I really hope it happens, TTT.  

what happens?between MINO and LINO there is me-no-know

 

[Peter Pedant]

Odd I know that a Party should listen to a majority! - chrissakes we would have capital  punishment for rape,

and shooting rubber boats just off calais

[retrocop]

//chrissakes we would have capital  punishment for rape,//

Careful what you wish for we could be under Sharia law the way this country is leaning. Not for men though!!

[tomus42]

The Tories will be trounced at the election by losing alot of votes to Labour, and if the AB tories are anything to go by, to Reform as well.

This will result in the Tories shifting to the right, and installing some Suella or Kemi type as leader. Reform will subsequently disappear.

[Gromit]

Just a few weeks ago Reform contested the by election in Rochdale.

They came sixth and got less than 2,000 votes, performing worse than they had in the seat than at the 2019 General Election.

All Reform will succeed in doing is splitting the right wing vote and letting Labour win several constituencies that they otherwise might not have done.

The Brexit Party was a flop in 2019, and they have rebranded into the Reform Party, but haven't done anything to earn disaffected Conservatives to vote for them.

[ToraToraTora]

gromit: "people in the UK will not elect a far right party. UKIP failed at general elections, and Reform will do the same." - yes they did but they got their only main policy enacted.

[davebro3]

//and shooting rubber boats just off calais//

Wouldn't that have been the best thing to do 4 or 5 years ago?

You heard it here folks!

[youngmafbog]

//losing alot of votes to Labour,//

Are you sure about that?  Many labour voters 'lent' their vote to Boris to get a Brexit done.  So they will return (maybe) to labour the Toys wont lose them they never had them.

Labour too need to be careful.  I have two labour mates who say they are looking to vote reform.  They too are fed up with the wishy wahy liberal do gooding policies and Net zero.

[youngmafbog]

//They came sixth and got less than 2,000 votes//

Hardly surprising given the demographic is it!  Or doesnt that little snippet fit the agenda?

 

Also the Green Party, who I believe you have professed support for in the past, got 436 votes.  Does that mean they shouldnt put up for election anywhere and you wont vote for them anymoer?

[tomus42]

//Are you sure about that? Many labour voters 'lent' their vote to Boris to get a Brexit done. So they will return (maybe) to labour//

That's what I meant.