New Definition Of Extremism.....what Do We Think?

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/new-extremism-definition-unveiled-despite-concerns-it-could-vilify-the-wrong-people-13094090

 

[davebro3]

//"the promotion or advancement of an ideology based on violence, hatred or intolerance" that aims to "negate or destroy the fundamental rights and freedoms of others",//

seems like a pretty accurate description of Islam to me!

[naomi24]

If it encompasses greater scope to seek out and deal effectively with this country's enemies then it can only be a good thing.

[Untitled]

it sounds like a reasonable definition to me 

 

 

[Untitled]

It also includes those who "intentionally create a permissive environment for others to achieve" either of those aims.

this bit is dodgy... you could make the case that this website would fall foul of this definition

[Rosetta]

^^^ the key word is intentionally and in no way could this website be accused of that

[naomi24]

Absolutely not, Rosetta.  Well said.

[Gromit]

Gove has just named 'Patriotic Alternative' as an extremist group. Coincidently I received a leaflet from them this weekend, ahead of the local elections.

Will they still be allowed to contest the Local and National elections now that Gove has named them ?

[Gromit]

https://www.patrioticalternative.org.uk

[Untitled]

how can you say that for sure rosetta? there are posts on this website which call for the eradication of muslims,machine guns to be fired on illegal migrants, and white supremacy. none of them have been removed so the site is clearly ok with them. that's "intent" surely? 

[Untitled]

"intentionally creating a permissive space" i should say

[youngmafbog]

I'm not so sure of it myself.

As with all these things, actions have unintended consequences.  I expect to see headlines of Plod claming down on women wanting their own space (amon otehr things).

In my mind the original definition was good enough, just Plod didnt want to enforce it, so why will they now?

[Gromit]

A recent prosecution and sentencing.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/updated-sentence-far-right-organiser-found-guilty-intent-stir-racial-hatred-through

[youngmafbog]

So it did work then Gromit, just wasnt evenly handed.

[Gromit]

// 

Gove is now listing organisations he says are a cause for concern under the new extremism definition.

They are:

British National Socialist Movement 

Patriotic Alternative

Muslim Association of Britain - the British affiliate of the Muslim Brotherhood

Cage

MEND

//

[Rosetta]

untitled @13.05. I cant see that any of the posts you quote show any evidence that those posters are promoting or encouraging others to act on their views.

There is  always going to be a tension between right to free speech and encouraging extremist views and actions. There is one thing for sure, which is lawyers will profit from the resulting case law

[THECORBYLOON]

The new definition is not a legal definition, it's to be used only in relation to government interactions with groups or individuals when looking at funding them, for example.

[Untitled]

rather a foolish thing to say rosetta because the definition concerns the promotion or advancement of an ideology based on violence, hatred or intolerance" that aims to "negate or destroy the fundamental rights and freedoms of others" and the website does intentionally provide a permissive environment for them...

by the definitions provided theanswerbank would fit the definition of an extremist organisation!

[douglas9401]

As usual I think the opposite of what Wee Mick says, that way I remain close to the real world.

[Rosetta]

Thanks TCL, again it  does not change my mind that this website is not contravening the definition of extremism

[Gromit]

If an organisation is not on Gove's list, does that mean it is not extremist ?

Sadly after initially thinking an updated definition of 'extremism' would be useful, the arbitary inclusion of groups on Gove's list leads me to the opposite conclusion. That it is pointless tinkering just to create the illusion that they are doing something (when they are not).