Hi eddiebun ... thanks for your earlier answers but I gave you some duff info .. please see corrected clue here ...6d ... Note the different strength (5); ... with the -e- from creeper it could be - the- plus -te- (note) giving -teeth ... but why is that -strength- ... also, by the way, I now remeber having a pair of creepers decades ago when they were nick-named brothel creepers so Thanks for the Memeory too...Cheers