Swine flu.

[anotheoldgit]

http://tinyurl.com/3y3ajsy

/// Last year, of the 14million patients who were advised to have the swine flu jab, only around five million took up the offer.///.

This year’s flu jab will protect against three types of flu including H1N1 or swine flu. so patients who want to take up the flu jab offer will be given no choice, but to have the swine flu one also.

Is this ethical, or should patients be given a choice?

[ponjee]

i believe they shouldnt be given a choice because its for their own health and the health of others the come in-contact with. but.. on the other hand i believe that they have a right to decide, we are all intitled to human rights.
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[squarebear]

I believe the power of prayer would cure anyone who caught flu. No need for these jabs.

[ponjee]

ha.ha.ha... very funny.

[Ankou]

"so patients who want to take up the flu jab offer will be given no choice"

haven't they just made one ?

[naomi24]

If the Swine Flu jab does no harm and comes in the package I can't see the problem.

[anotheoldgit]

Ankou

Finish off the whole sentence, or are you just being contentious?

/// so patients who want to take up the flu jab offer will be given no choice, but to have the swine flu one also.///

[jackthehat]

If the intent is to safeguard against 'flu, what does it matter quite which strain one is being vaccinated against ?

[RATTER15]

They have a choice!

have the jab, dont have the jab! I call that a choice.

AOG, you really are strange!

[anotheoldgit]

naomi24

That is the whole point.

Some do not think enough research has gone into the swine flu vaccine, so are understandably concerned.

Perhaps that is why only around five million took up the offer, out of of the 14million patients who were advised to have the swine flu jab, .

[naomi24]

Really? I can't remember seeing any concerns about research.

[squarebear]

Is it just some of the general public who think not enough research has gone into it or other scientists?

[anotheoldgit]

RATTER15
If anyone should be accused of being strange, then it is you who should head the list.

What is wrong in posting on a subject that some people feel strongly about.

Personally I have no objection to the all in one jab, but there will be many out there that want the usual flu jab, but not the swine flu one.

Just remember the Measles, mumps and rubella vaccine controversy.

[jackthehat]

I thought the main problem was that when the initial panic started, there were not enough reserves of the vaccine to satisfy demand ?
Once it transpired that the doom-mongers had over-stated the epidemic people then failed to seek the vaccine in the projected numbers leaving a huge stockpile of paid for vaccine unused.
I think the research into the efficacy of the vaccine itself is sound.........it's the hoopla about the swine-flu epidemic that is unsound (and yes I do understand the problems in predicting infection, etc.).

[redcrx]

How many people are advised to have the old style flu jabs every year? and how many take up the offer?

[Sqad]

AOG...you raise a very good point.
It is not a matter of whether you have the jab or not, it is a matter of whether or not you have the H1N1...................the " all or nothing" choice is, in my opinion unacceptable.

In my opinion, I still have doubts, however unreasonable, about the H1N1vaccine.

[anneasquith]

what are the doubts about h1n1 quad ?

[Ankou]

so of the 5million that took it, how many have had serious or fatal side effects from it ?

[Sqad]

annie/ankou.........all side effects from H1N1 vaccinations are rare ( we think) although long term side effects cannot be assessed as the vaccine was given in 2009, too short a time to assess. Reactions can occur within 2-3 days, but theses are usually mild, but immediate type hypersensitivity reaction can be life threatening in the allergy predisposed patient.
Long term neurological disorders cannot be evaluated after only one year ( 2009 vaccine) although, I agree are rare.

My point and the point made by AOG is that we do know the long term effects, rare as they are of seasonal influenza vaccine but to add another antigen, of which we do not have the results of long term study, is , in my opinion unreasonable.

[anotheoldgit]

The following was reported in August 2009.

/// The British Neurological Surveillance Unit (BNSU), part of the British Association of Neurologists, has been asked to monitor closely any cases of GBS as the vaccine is rolled out. ///

/// One senior neurologist said last night: ‘I would not have the swine
flu jab because of the increase in a brain disorder called Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS) ///