Hadron Collider ?

[fbg40]

Can someone explain the purpose of the Hadron Collider and how much it costs the taxpayer ?
FBG40

[naomi24]

Ratter's response at 08:50 for best answer. That made me laugh. :o)

[ToraToraTora]

Its main pupose is to extract really silly questions from thick people who use scientific advances in every aspect of their lives but always moan about the means that make those advances possible.

[Peter Pedant]

Give em hell Jim

I am sorry you made a proper answer and got improper innuendo in return

c'est la vie baby as they probably say in CERN

[ToraToraTora]

do you have a mobile phone atalanta? Cancer research? one of the largest benefactors of space race tech. People like you make me laugh! Use all the modern tech but are against any sort of research. No one knows what will come of greater understanding of particle physics, we just don't know what useful discoveries are round the corner. If it wasn't for this kind of endevour we'd still be living in caves. I for one would rather spend it on this than benefits for scroungers.

[jomifl]

We only have to find out once that the universe wasn't created by god , then perhaps goodlife will shut up. Khandro can also go back to his one pint of beer per year.

[Khandro]

^ additional !

[FrogNog]

The purpose is knowledge.
The cost of knowledge? Priceless

[Khandro]

^This kind of knowledge may be priceless to you but not to me. If most of us remain ignorant of ourselves, it is because self-knowledge is painful and we prefer the pleasures of illusion, and this is a very ridiculous illusion.
TTT Cancer research and mobile phones, what have these got to do with CERN?

[jim360]

Well all I can say is thank goodness yours isn't the deciding vote, Khandro.

[FrogNog]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10242837/How-CERNs-Grid-may-place-the-power-of-the-worlds-computers-in-your-hands.html

[FrogNog]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/large-hadron-collider/10003417/Large-Hadron-Collider-scientists-developing-new-cancer-treatments.html

[FrogNog]

Still not good enough, no doubt.

[douglas9401]

" Cancer research? one of the largest benefactors of space race tech. People like you make me laugh!"

Aye, in between sookin lemons and drinking vinegar maybe.

Anyway, hadron looks like hardon and that's worth a snigger any day of the week. :-)

[jim360]

Let's not make any jokes about high-energy jet events...

[FrogNog]

Or gluons

[Khandro]

More "may be"s and more "Hoping to"s, in other words another "almost on the edge of" so keep that taxpayer's money rolling in please.

[jim360]

Actually that criticism about only "hoping to" is utterly bizarre. What else can be said? We can hardly know what is going to happen with certainty. If we did then there'd be no point at all in running the experiments, because that would mean that, one way or another, high-energy physics was already completely solved (at least, up to energy scales way beyond anything we can probe today). It has to be the case that we are only "maybe" on the verge of a breakthrough, or that we don't know what form that breakthrough will take.

And we certainly are, by the way. There are compelling theoretical and numerical arguments to suggest that if new physics is out there then it should appear in the low TeV range, ie within the range that the LHC is able to probe. Thus, if it does turn up something new then we'll have made a massive breakthrough in our understanding of how the Universe works. And if it does not, which is also possible, then clearly a radically new idea will be needed. Either way, physics is going to change drastically within the next decade or so.

The amount of taxpayers' money that is rolling in is hardly obscene. Anyone wanting to choose a lucrative money-earning career, at any rate, would steer well clear of the sciences. Khandro's criticisms are utterly unfounded.

[Khandro]

jim;//The amount of taxpayers' money that is rolling in is hardly obscene. Anyone wanting to choose a lucrative money-earning career, at any rate, would steer well clear of the sciences. Khandro's criticisms are utterly unfounded.//
I beg to differ, with your university degree you could start on (Swiss Francs) between 7,980 to 9,100 per month rising to 13,976 not to mention the perks in the shape of CERN groupies!

https://jobs.web.cern.ch/content/career-paths

As I said earlier Jim, you ought to get down there, it's not far from me, I could put you up for your interview :0)

[ToraToraTora]

Khandro: "TTT Cancer research and mobile phones, what have these got to do with CERN? " nothing, I was making the point that we would never make any advances if we do not learn. You'd not have a glass to drink your beer out of if we followed people like you. Indeen you'd not have the beer either. Look around your house, then apply the brain cell and see if you can work out how all the devices came about. Then tell me how many of them you'd have ruled out because you'd rather hunt a sabre tooth tiger with a wooden spear. How shallow you are.

[Khandro]

// You'd not have a glass to drink your beer out of if we followed people like you. Indeen you'd not have the beer either.//
Glass was invented 3,500 bc in Mesopotamia and beer 3,900 years ago in Sumeria.
Looking around my home as you suggest I do, in my shallow way everything seems to have been invented by one person; my car by Karl Benz my TV by Logie Baird and this internet thing enabling you to dish out insults anonymously, by Tim Berners-Lee.
This hugely expensive massively staffed organization of CERN has after 30 years produced nothing of any real significance, if it has perhaps you would enlighten me to its real value, even Jim isn't quite sure.