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Banning The Sale Of Cars Run Solely On Fossils Fuels By 2040 A Good Idea?
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Everyone wants clean environment to live in. New technologies, education & governmental incentives & legislation can help to curb pollution of carbon dioxide, plastics, smog, toxins, etc. Banning the sale of cars run solely on fossils fuels by 2040 is an example of governmental incentives & legislation to curb pollution.
There is no doubt that CO2 (carbon dioxide) in the atmosphere give rise to the ‘greenhouse’ effects. This is not only witnessed on earth but in all planets in the universe. Also, there is no denying CO2 also cause climate change & extreme weather. Look at the recent unprecedented diminishing ice caps in the Polar Regions.
Global warming is real CO2 was around 280 ppm during Industrial Revolution. In 1958, atmospheric CO2 was at 315 ppm and was 340 ppm in 1988. Atmospheric CO2 first exceeded 400 ppm since record began on 10 May 2013.
About half of all fossil fuels had been burnt since the industrial revolution & has given raise nearly a degree centigrade rise in global temperatures. Thus if the rest of fossil fuels are burnt a total of about 2 degree centigrade rise will be likely.
Hotter air can cause extreme climate. Global warming of around 2 degrees centigrade will cause increased coastal flooding, as well as more drought & famine - turning agricultural land into desert (in an era of exponential population rises).
There is no doubt that CO2 (carbon dioxide) in the atmosphere give rise to the ‘greenhouse’ effects. This is not only witnessed on earth but in all planets in the universe. Also, there is no denying CO2 also cause climate change & extreme weather. Look at the recent unprecedented diminishing ice caps in the Polar Regions.
Global warming is real CO2 was around 280 ppm during Industrial Revolution. In 1958, atmospheric CO2 was at 315 ppm and was 340 ppm in 1988. Atmospheric CO2 first exceeded 400 ppm since record began on 10 May 2013.
About half of all fossil fuels had been burnt since the industrial revolution & has given raise nearly a degree centigrade rise in global temperatures. Thus if the rest of fossil fuels are burnt a total of about 2 degree centigrade rise will be likely.
Hotter air can cause extreme climate. Global warming of around 2 degrees centigrade will cause increased coastal flooding, as well as more drought & famine - turning agricultural land into desert (in an era of exponential population rises).
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//I believe electric cars will be the norm by 2040. //
yes. Along with the chaos and Health & Safety issues when people who don't have a garage or off road parking have cables strewn across the pavements (and maybe half a mile down the road to where the nearest parking space was when they came home).
Along with the yobs of the time cutting and nicking your copper charging cables.
Along with the environmental damage caused by copper and lithium mining?
Along with the chaos caused when 100s of people get stuck on the motorway in winter when the (less efficient in cold weather) batteries are unexpectedly flattened by heaters and lights?
Along with getting to your destination and finding all the chargers are already in use and you don't have enough power to get back home.
Along with the queues of people pushing their 3 ton battery cars looking for an unoccupied charging space, and the “cable rage” when there aren’t enough to go around.
Great idea, but as usual without properly thought out detail.
yes. Along with the chaos and Health & Safety issues when people who don't have a garage or off road parking have cables strewn across the pavements (and maybe half a mile down the road to where the nearest parking space was when they came home).
Along with the yobs of the time cutting and nicking your copper charging cables.
Along with the environmental damage caused by copper and lithium mining?
Along with the chaos caused when 100s of people get stuck on the motorway in winter when the (less efficient in cold weather) batteries are unexpectedly flattened by heaters and lights?
Along with getting to your destination and finding all the chargers are already in use and you don't have enough power to get back home.
Along with the queues of people pushing their 3 ton battery cars looking for an unoccupied charging space, and the “cable rage” when there aren’t enough to go around.
Great idea, but as usual without properly thought out detail.
“2) Motor racing has already flirted with electric cars.”
Yes I’ve seen “Formula E”. It suffers from the precise problem that any “all electric” form of transport suffers from: half way through the (shortish) race the drivers have to pull into the garage and get into a second car. In Monaco they ran a few laps of a circuit that was about half the length of the normal F1 course and still they needed two cars.
Drivers will have to plan their lives so that they never need to travel further in a day than the maximum range of the car. For many of us that is not a problem; for many others it certainly is.
There are many and various problems with this idea. So many, in fact, that I can see the idea that cars will be owned by individuals as being impractical. A way forward could be for cars to be in a pool rather like “Boris Bikes” are in London. You take a car from the pool, drive it as far as you need and put it into another pool. When you want to press on or return home you take another car. Cars in the pool will be kept fully charged.
Many drivers simply don’t have the facilities to be able to charge a car up at their homes. None of this seems to have yet been properly thought through. Changes of this sort take a long time to enable (witness how long it has taken to provide an extra runway in the South East of England). The UK is not good at this sort of thing and 23 years will soon disappear.
Yes I’ve seen “Formula E”. It suffers from the precise problem that any “all electric” form of transport suffers from: half way through the (shortish) race the drivers have to pull into the garage and get into a second car. In Monaco they ran a few laps of a circuit that was about half the length of the normal F1 course and still they needed two cars.
Drivers will have to plan their lives so that they never need to travel further in a day than the maximum range of the car. For many of us that is not a problem; for many others it certainly is.
There are many and various problems with this idea. So many, in fact, that I can see the idea that cars will be owned by individuals as being impractical. A way forward could be for cars to be in a pool rather like “Boris Bikes” are in London. You take a car from the pool, drive it as far as you need and put it into another pool. When you want to press on or return home you take another car. Cars in the pool will be kept fully charged.
Many drivers simply don’t have the facilities to be able to charge a car up at their homes. None of this seems to have yet been properly thought through. Changes of this sort take a long time to enable (witness how long it has taken to provide an extra runway in the South East of England). The UK is not good at this sort of thing and 23 years will soon disappear.
NJ //You take a car from the pool, drive it as far as you need and put it into another pool. When you want to press on or return home you take another car.//
Substitute the word 'car' for 'horse' and that's how people once and maybe will again, get around. Men could once again talk over a pint, of thoroughbred stallions instead of miles per kilowatt, now wouldn't that be lovely?
Substitute the word 'car' for 'horse' and that's how people once and maybe will again, get around. Men could once again talk over a pint, of thoroughbred stallions instead of miles per kilowatt, now wouldn't that be lovely?
This policy is rather at odds with the recently announced policy for the railways, where all current electrification schemes have been binned, and all new trains will either be hybrid, ie fitted additionally with diesel engines and fuel tanks – which add 50T to the weight of a complete train, or will be diesel only. This decision has effectively ended new electrification in the UK forever, with the railways now committed to fossil fuel technology for at least the next 40 years (the lifespan of modern rolling stock), by which time the railways will probably be obsolete.
It might interest you to know that retrospectively converting GWR’s previously all-electric fleet of trains to bi-modal cost so much that Hitachi were able to build their servicing depots at no cost.
It might interest you to know that retrospectively converting GWR’s previously all-electric fleet of trains to bi-modal cost so much that Hitachi were able to build their servicing depots at no cost.
"Rather a Luddite attitude mush."
Nothing of the sort. All mushroom highlighted are perfectly legitimate problems which I have seen none of the world's finest come up with even an outline of an answer.
The UK has set itself legally binding carbon emission reduction targets. Little thought seems to have gone into how they might be achieved and even less seems to have gone into this scheme. Of course those setting these targets now will have long since sailed off into the sunset by the time their pronouncements have to be achieved. It is other people who will have to handle the consequences of such folly.
Nothing of the sort. All mushroom highlighted are perfectly legitimate problems which I have seen none of the world's finest come up with even an outline of an answer.
The UK has set itself legally binding carbon emission reduction targets. Little thought seems to have gone into how they might be achieved and even less seems to have gone into this scheme. Of course those setting these targets now will have long since sailed off into the sunset by the time their pronouncements have to be achieved. It is other people who will have to handle the consequences of such folly.
Hopkirk: "Pure petrol or diesel cars being banned? If so, hybrids would still be allowed".
No really sure. The ban had been announced less than a week ago and so far it appears the ban is on a sales of petrol, diesel, hybrid cars. Hence manufactures of spark plugs and other internal combustion engine components will be severely affected.
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No really sure. The ban had been announced less than a week ago and so far it appears the ban is on a sales of petrol, diesel, hybrid cars. Hence manufactures of spark plugs and other internal combustion engine components will be severely affected.
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There are a couple of wild cards that need to be played.
Battery technology being one in terms of capacity, storage and recharge
Hydrogen - the storage on board the car - perhaps nano-silicon coming to the fore?
Third thing the distribution network - back in 1992 we brought the tricity option to the fore and that taking large stakes in car parks would be valid in providing not only the parking but the charging at the same time
Fourthly - tricity generation, the issue being that it isn't the most efficient way of fuelling cars, the percentage loss can be enormois.
Fifthly, one option not brought forward is 0% S Diesel (made from Nat Gas - being done in Malaysia) and also pushing for Moly catalysts within lubs to take out NOs.......
Battery technology being one in terms of capacity, storage and recharge
Hydrogen - the storage on board the car - perhaps nano-silicon coming to the fore?
Third thing the distribution network - back in 1992 we brought the tricity option to the fore and that taking large stakes in car parks would be valid in providing not only the parking but the charging at the same time
Fourthly - tricity generation, the issue being that it isn't the most efficient way of fuelling cars, the percentage loss can be enormois.
Fifthly, one option not brought forward is 0% S Diesel (made from Nat Gas - being done in Malaysia) and also pushing for Moly catalysts within lubs to take out NOs.......
someone put this on facebook and I thought it was pretty good.
26 July at 13:06 · Darlington ·
I do so hope that I'm still alive in 2040 when all new cars will be electric.
I want to see the chaos and Health & Safety issues when people who don't have a garage or off road parking have cables strewn across the pavements (and maybe half a mile down the road to where the nearest parking space was when they came home).
Also where is all of the extra electricity going to come from as, from what we're told, the power stations and the national grid are already running to full capacity?
Will the yobs of the time be cutting and knicking all of these copper cables, and where is all of the copper needed to make them going to come from? And come to that, where is the lithium needed for the batteries going to come from? And what about the environmental damage that is caused by copper and lithium mining?
What will happen when 100s of people get stuck on the motorway in winter when the (less efficient in cold weather) batteries are unexpectedly flattened by heaters and lights? Will the AA/RAC have electric vehicles too? If so how will they cope with towing 3 ton cars to the nearest (available) chargers?
What happens if the chargers are all in use when you get to where you're going and don't have enough power to get back home? Will there be queues of people pushing their 3 ton battery cars looking for an unoccupied charging space? Will there be 'charging rage' with people fighting in the streets over who's turn it is next?
26 July at 13:06 · Darlington ·
I do so hope that I'm still alive in 2040 when all new cars will be electric.
I want to see the chaos and Health & Safety issues when people who don't have a garage or off road parking have cables strewn across the pavements (and maybe half a mile down the road to where the nearest parking space was when they came home).
Also where is all of the extra electricity going to come from as, from what we're told, the power stations and the national grid are already running to full capacity?
Will the yobs of the time be cutting and knicking all of these copper cables, and where is all of the copper needed to make them going to come from? And come to that, where is the lithium needed for the batteries going to come from? And what about the environmental damage that is caused by copper and lithium mining?
What will happen when 100s of people get stuck on the motorway in winter when the (less efficient in cold weather) batteries are unexpectedly flattened by heaters and lights? Will the AA/RAC have electric vehicles too? If so how will they cope with towing 3 ton cars to the nearest (available) chargers?
What happens if the chargers are all in use when you get to where you're going and don't have enough power to get back home? Will there be queues of people pushing their 3 ton battery cars looking for an unoccupied charging space? Will there be 'charging rage' with people fighting in the streets over who's turn it is next?
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