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Brown to go?
Today's Guardian editorial says about it's time for Labour to 'Cut Gordon Brown loose'. Do you agree?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/j un/02/editorial-gordon-brown-labour
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/j un/02/editorial-gordon-brown-labour
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I've never been comfortable with Gordon Brown as PM, not because I think he's rubbish or anything like that, more that the public haven't had the opportunity to vote for a party led by him. I've always believed that changes in leadership are fine for parties when in opposition, but the public should be given the opportunity of an election if the ruling party decides to offload their top man, or if he decides to slip away like Blair.
Were I a Labour MP, I wouldn't, were I Tory or Lib, I would.
From Labour's point of view, given the fact that there must be a GE within only a year, what advantage would be gained from doing a Julius Caesar type assassination on the leader? I would say none because not only do they have no one with the political stature or clout to succeed him, but it's exactly what the opposition are desperately hoping for to assist their aspirations of forcing an early GE.
The Tories, although ultra vociferous in their calls for Brown to go, have yet to map out their plans for the country should Cameron become PM. He's all bluster and no substance. What exactly are their policies? Every PMQ's is littered by demands to Brown from Cameron "to go", yet I have yet to hear anything of substance from him.
And unless we get PR, you can forget the Libs, they've no chance under the first past the post system.
Labour are miles behind in the current polls and must be bracing themselves for disaster tomorrow in the local and European elections, but that's not what really matters, it's what happens when there is a GE. For Labour to change leaders now would be for them political suicide.
From Labour's point of view, given the fact that there must be a GE within only a year, what advantage would be gained from doing a Julius Caesar type assassination on the leader? I would say none because not only do they have no one with the political stature or clout to succeed him, but it's exactly what the opposition are desperately hoping for to assist their aspirations of forcing an early GE.
The Tories, although ultra vociferous in their calls for Brown to go, have yet to map out their plans for the country should Cameron become PM. He's all bluster and no substance. What exactly are their policies? Every PMQ's is littered by demands to Brown from Cameron "to go", yet I have yet to hear anything of substance from him.
And unless we get PR, you can forget the Libs, they've no chance under the first past the post system.
Labour are miles behind in the current polls and must be bracing themselves for disaster tomorrow in the local and European elections, but that's not what really matters, it's what happens when there is a GE. For Labour to change leaders now would be for them political suicide.
paraffin
You've hit the nail on the head.
If I were a Labour MP I'd want Gordon to stay on until the General Election. The day after, he should graciously stand down, unless Labour win*.
At that point, someone who hasn't been tainted by recent scandals could step in.
What about Little davey Milliband? The Edmund Blackadder of the Labour front benches!
(*Yeah, I know, I know...)
You've hit the nail on the head.
If I were a Labour MP I'd want Gordon to stay on until the General Election. The day after, he should graciously stand down, unless Labour win*.
At that point, someone who hasn't been tainted by recent scandals could step in.
What about Little davey Milliband? The Edmund Blackadder of the Labour front benches!
(*Yeah, I know, I know...)
The foreign secretary claimed almost �30,000 for doing up his �120,000 constituency home over five years, it was reported. He spent up to �180 every three months on the garden at the property in South Shields. Additionally, he paid the husband of former Labour MP Meg Munn for tax advice.
- BBC
His brother Ed Miliband seems to have come out of all this smelling of roses, though.
- BBC
His brother Ed Miliband seems to have come out of all this smelling of roses, though.
A year's a long time in politics.
The chances of Labour winning another term are almost non-existent. But with a new leader and some oomph, there's a decent chance of them showing some direction, making clear what they stand for and avoiding both a landslide majority for the Tories and being wiped out for a generation.
Really, they have to do it sooner rather than later. Someone like Alan Johnston is a departure from Brown and could limit the damage and rebuild.
David Milliband on the other hand is a Cameron clone, who in turn is a Blair clone. An horribly oily man.
The chances of Labour winning another term are almost non-existent. But with a new leader and some oomph, there's a decent chance of them showing some direction, making clear what they stand for and avoiding both a landslide majority for the Tories and being wiped out for a generation.
Really, they have to do it sooner rather than later. Someone like Alan Johnston is a departure from Brown and could limit the damage and rebuild.
David Milliband on the other hand is a Cameron clone, who in turn is a Blair clone. An horribly oily man.
I agree with Quinlad..........like amputating a limb for gangrene, do it now so that there is time for recovery to take place. A year is a long time in Politics.
However, I feel that the Tories would have a less battle with Brown at the helm rather than face a fresh popular guy like....can't think of his nam offhand....Health Minister.
Tories must get some policies organized as up to now they have onlt to sit back and let Labour sink
However, I feel that the Tories would have a less battle with Brown at the helm rather than face a fresh popular guy like....can't think of his nam offhand....Health Minister.
Tories must get some policies organized as up to now they have onlt to sit back and let Labour sink
it seems some Labour MPs are thinking the same and want him out by July
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/03 /gordon-brown-rebels-timetable
Since it took them 45 days to pick the wrong man last time, I don't see how doing it in 22 days this time would help them get it right.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/03 /gordon-brown-rebels-timetable
Since it took them 45 days to pick the wrong man last time, I don't see how doing it in 22 days this time would help them get it right.
Backbenchers won't force GB to go any time soon. They will hang on until next year, because they know that a lot of them will lose their seats, and they are looking to earn another years' salary and maybe pay off their mortgage on their expenses. Then they can sell at a massive profit as it seems that house prices are starting to increase, and pocket the profit at our expense.
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