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Why Would Anyone Want To Go Naked In Public?
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From a discussion in News it appears a number of people here support the idea - but why?
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The link the OP has posted has little to do with the 'public' going naked. This man has mental health issues ( I watched a documentary about him) and considering the amount of kit he humps about I doubt he's getting a feeling of 'total freedom'. Going naked or women topless in public, say on a beach, is horrible, you go somewhere nice by the sea with children and have to put up with women who would hardly wear a low top 'in real life' with their droopy boobs swinging in the wind as they waddle along the beach. I've nothing against naturism, when you make a concerted decision to walk around naked with everyone else, but would there really be sane people want to shop naked in the Supermarket if it were legal?
Retrochic - "Andy -he has mental health issues I saw a documentary about him. He's not a tramp he lives with his mother but goes off every now and again when he stops taking his medication."
Thanks for that information.
It is clear then, that the punishment designed to prevent him from re-offending is never going to work, and his mental health issues should be addressed properly, instead of letting him languish in prison for a crime which he fails to acknowledge, and a deterrent which fails to operate.
Thanks for that information.
It is clear then, that the punishment designed to prevent him from re-offending is never going to work, and his mental health issues should be addressed properly, instead of letting him languish in prison for a crime which he fails to acknowledge, and a deterrent which fails to operate.
The only thing that stops me going naked everywhere is "culture" I have no problem with nudity, some people are fat some people are thin, again these are cultural issues, we don't all have to have the perfect body shape, on a naturist beach you rarely see any issues regarding body shape and size, all are accepted without sneering and looking down ones nose, I think some of you should try it and experience the natural and non-judgemental feeling or freedom.
jj - "Because someone has to make a stand to prevent particular cultural "norms" from crushing individual freedom?"
I don;t believe that conforming to cultural acceptances always equates with crushing personal freedoms.
One has to accept that living in a society means that some individual behaviours are curtailed in order to be accepted into that society.
For example - if someone wanted to break wind at will, would that be acceptable to society at large? What about picking one's nose, belching, rubbing oneself up against people, declining to bathe, shouting obscenities at will ... the list goes on.
None of these actions are hazardous to health, but they are all frowned upon as unacceptable behaviour, and proponents could equally claim that their 'freedoms' are being crushed.
Societies evolve their own cultural rules about what is acceptable, and what is not, and people elect for the most part to abide by those rules.
There will always be those who wish to go against such rules, that is part of freedom, but it does not mean that society will, or indeed should be expected to indluge every person who wishes to go against the norm simply because they feel they should be able to.
I don;t believe that conforming to cultural acceptances always equates with crushing personal freedoms.
One has to accept that living in a society means that some individual behaviours are curtailed in order to be accepted into that society.
For example - if someone wanted to break wind at will, would that be acceptable to society at large? What about picking one's nose, belching, rubbing oneself up against people, declining to bathe, shouting obscenities at will ... the list goes on.
None of these actions are hazardous to health, but they are all frowned upon as unacceptable behaviour, and proponents could equally claim that their 'freedoms' are being crushed.
Societies evolve their own cultural rules about what is acceptable, and what is not, and people elect for the most part to abide by those rules.
There will always be those who wish to go against such rules, that is part of freedom, but it does not mean that society will, or indeed should be expected to indluge every person who wishes to go against the norm simply because they feel they should be able to.
Ratter - "andy-hughes, no, if it was culturally acceptable it would also most likely be legal.
Well actually it is not illegal now! to my knowledge there is no specific law about being naked. The law is more about why you are being naked!"
I am not sure of the point you are making.
There are plenty of actions seen as anti-social behaviour that are covered under umbrella laws such as breach of the peace - just because it is not illegal to be naked in public is not the same as saying it has society-at-large's blessing, when clearly it does not.
Well actually it is not illegal now! to my knowledge there is no specific law about being naked. The law is more about why you are being naked!"
I am not sure of the point you are making.
There are plenty of actions seen as anti-social behaviour that are covered under umbrella laws such as breach of the peace - just because it is not illegal to be naked in public is not the same as saying it has society-at-large's blessing, when clearly it does not.
It sends out the wrong message to people. It sexualises their body where no sexualisation ought to exist to actively try to prevent nudity if the individual wishes it. What possible harm can it do? Nudity is not about sex. Nakedness is not about perversion. To suggest that there is something wrong and shameful about our bodies sends entirely the wrong message to children, disempowers them and sexualises them. I've lived in Germany who are very relaxed about nudity and small children there see naked people frequently, there is nothing wrong or weird in that and it has no ill effect, in fact when polled most Germans admitted that they had tried FKK ( Free body Club- is a rough translation) as it's known in Germany, so why do we feel the need to repress and prevent people just walking around in their own skins? I think the answer is that we feel threatened by personal choice, we like people to conform to all sorts of societal norms and this is a very obvious one. I think JJM covered mostly how I feel about it earlier, we should not be repressing people's freedom of choice when that choice harms no-one.
I think mainly because of our weather, and perhaps some leftover from Victorian culture, it's never been an accepted pastime in UK. I do see it everywhere on Spanish beaches (although I've never been lucky enough to see a ***) because they are culturally different. I have swum in the sea naked and have to agree it gave a wonderful sense of freedom. I'm happy to display my top abroad but not my bottom.
kvalidir - "we should not be repressing people's freedom of choice when that choice harms no-one."
I suggest that observation is based on wishful thinking, rather than proven fact.
Society has not evolved the wearing of clothes because it does not approve of nudity representing the de-sexualisation of children.
That is a modern viewpoint which does not chime with the reason why clothes have been worn for thousands of years - they protect the body from cold and wet which lead to disease, and in earlier times - death.
The continuation of wearing clothes is due to the fact that society at large feels more comfortable that way - it has nothing to do with the denial of freedom, or the supposed intimidation of childrens' viewpoints about the shame of nakedness - these are entirely modern perceptions which did not exist even fifty years ago.
People who wish to spend their time naked with like-minded people have places they can go and do just that - it does not follow that the rest of society should be obliged to indulge them the rest of the time.
What next - making attendence of football matches compulsory because it is our national game?
The desires of the few have never outweighed the desires of the many - that is now a society works.
I suggest that observation is based on wishful thinking, rather than proven fact.
Society has not evolved the wearing of clothes because it does not approve of nudity representing the de-sexualisation of children.
That is a modern viewpoint which does not chime with the reason why clothes have been worn for thousands of years - they protect the body from cold and wet which lead to disease, and in earlier times - death.
The continuation of wearing clothes is due to the fact that society at large feels more comfortable that way - it has nothing to do with the denial of freedom, or the supposed intimidation of childrens' viewpoints about the shame of nakedness - these are entirely modern perceptions which did not exist even fifty years ago.
People who wish to spend their time naked with like-minded people have places they can go and do just that - it does not follow that the rest of society should be obliged to indulge them the rest of the time.
What next - making attendence of football matches compulsory because it is our national game?
The desires of the few have never outweighed the desires of the many - that is now a society works.
What we should do and what we ought to do are usually two entirely different things andy. It is indeed wishful thinking that people would be respectful enough to mind their own damned business about what other people do when its not affecting them- I really cannot comprehend why you would even bother to be worried about someone else being naked and get so upset about it. I find it totally bizarre.
kvalidir...you are very much a different generation to me, and your experience therefore must be different as well. But how would you feel if you had young children in school, and this sad person were to walk past their windows naked ? Or perhaps you were out shopping with the aforesaid kids and you bumped into him ?
kvalidir - "...I really cannot comprehend why you would even bother to be worried about someone else being naked and get so upset about it. I find it totally bizarre."
I am not bothered enough about someone else being naked, and I am not remotely upset about it.
This is a debate, my views are based on my perceptions of society, as I have outlined, they do not necessarily mirror my personal views.
I usually make the difference between the two clear - apologies if I have failed to do on this thread.
I am not bothered enough about someone else being naked, and I am not remotely upset about it.
This is a debate, my views are based on my perceptions of society, as I have outlined, they do not necessarily mirror my personal views.
I usually make the difference between the two clear - apologies if I have failed to do on this thread.
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