For Fans Of Douglas Murray...

[vetuste_ennemi]

...this article:

http://standpointmag.co.uk/node/6239/full

I so love Murray, both in print and on TV, that I sometimes feel ashamed of myself for being a homophobe.

[naomi24]

//there is tacit approval of the promotion of that cult by moderate adherents.//

////Quarter of British Muslims sympathise with Charlie Hebdo terrorists
Some 27 per cent of British Muslims sympathise with Paris gunmen, while more than one in ten say satirical cartoons "deserve" to be attacked ////

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11433776/Quarter-of-British-Muslims-sympathise-with-Charlie-Hebdo-terrorists.html

[jomifl]

MM, the IRA is a marxist organisation, not catholic, though they have tradionally exploited religious prejudices for their own ends.

[Khandro]

Buenchico;//On the other hand, the (nominal) justification for the Crusades was precisely the slaughter of those of whose religious beliefs differed from those of their attackers.//

You claim to have read both the Bible and the Quran (entirely?), perhaps you should now bone up a bit on your history. The aim of the crusades of the 9th and 10th centuries was to RE-conquer the holy lands and parts of Southern Europe from the Muslims who had been the ones doing all the slaughtering.

Charles Moore, Spectator's notes; 01/08/2015, on a recent visit to Portugal;

"... In Britain we have had until recently, so little direct experience of this conflict with Christendom that it is not much part of our folk memory, but in the Iberian peninsula the idea of what Mr Cameron calls am 'existential threat' is old and deep. We saw two depictions in churches in Oporto of the beheading of Franciscan friars by turbaned Moors. It was a shock to sense that what would until recently have seemed thankfully out of date, now felt contemporary.

In Bento station in the same city, handsome azulejos murals, a century old depict the conquest of Ceuta in 1415 by King John of Portugal and his son Prince Henry the Navigator, before whom the Moors throw down their arms and beg for mercy. One wonders how long before such a scene is removed for being Islamophobic."

[jomifl]

I believe the crusades were preceded by western knights accompanying pilgrims to the Holy Land to protect them from the bandits who preyed on them. It went downhill from there.

[sevenOP]

vetuste_ennemi : "Is the addition of a large Muslim population to modern Western societies a good, or a bad thing, SevenOP? "

That would depend on the circumstances of why ANY large population needed to be introduced, geographical distribution, vital preparatory work, consultation with residents, induction/integration programmes and long and short term outcomes, whether said influx solves the underlying problem, amongst other considerations.

I did not detect Murray offering any solutions, perhaps you can v_e ?

[Khandro]

I've been sitting here for a few minutes pondering how to introduce this link and I find I'm speechless;

http://theartnewspaper.com/news/news/161559/

[douglas9401]

How odd that "...religion is a personal journey, not something that should be used to herd people as sheep.” finds itself the polar opposite of the shepherd and his flock.

I suppose it depends on your definition of peace.