Germaine Greer On Transgender Issues

[vetuste_ennemi]

Just came across this excerpt from Newsnight two years ago. It's great fun to see Kirsty Wark trying (and failing) to understand how anybody can hold a belief which does not conform to today's orthodoxy. And trying (and failing) to convince the heretic of her sin.

Here's a snippet:

Wark: If a man has been gender-reassigned... and inwardly feels like a woman... do you think he can ever be a woman?
Greer: No.
Wark: Do you think how people might think that's insulting?
Greer: I don't care. [trigger warning: Greer does use the more direct "don't give a ***" in another part of the interview]

Here's the full thing:

[vetuste_ennemi]

This from something calling itself gender.wikia.com:

"Cisgender is a term for someone who has a gender identity that aligns with what they were assigned at birth. The term was created for referring to 'non-transgender' people without alienating transgender people. For example, if the doctor announces a baby as being a girl, and she is fine with being a girl, then she is cisgender.".

So now you know.

[woofgang]

naomi, that's a pretty rude comment.....anyway its like analogue and digital timepieces....there was never any need for a word to describe an analogue clock or watch face until digital time pieces entered the public consciousness

[woofgang]

yup....I did know.

[Old_Geezer]

What's the prefix "cis" mean (outside of molecules) ?

[naomi24]

Woofgang, why is it a rude comment? Is 'normal' no longer normal?

[woofgang]

It never was.

[naomi24]

Maybe not in your world, Woofgang, but I’m told the big thing now is to self-identify (I think that's the term) – so I’m going with the flow and self-identifying. ‘Normal’ does it for me.

[vetuste_ennemi]

//What's the prefix "cis" mean (outside of molecules)//

Well, at school we had Trans- and Cisalpine Gaul, referring to the parts of Gaul this side of the Alps and those beyond them. (From Rome's point of view, that is.

When we drove across the River Kei we passed from Ciskei to Transkei, OG.

There's a story about Umtata and a dead dog. But let's not go there.

[tamborine]

Trans or not, a man will never know the emotion of menstration/pregnancy/child birth. I concur with GG.

[Deskdiary]

"The term was created for referring to 'non-transgender' people without alienating transgender people"

The first time I saw the phrase cisgender was about 2 minutes ago, and it has already been filed away in the part of my brain labelled 'complete cobblers' where it sits nicely alongside other nonsense like 'gender fluidity'.

Why would me being described as a man alienate a transgender person? This pandering is becoming absurd.

I think Naomi is spot-on - a man may 'identify' as a woman, but it can surely only ever be their interpretation of a woman. How can they possibly know how a woman feels if they aren't one?

[Old_Geezer]

Ah, where we are rather than beyond, then. I'd tried Googling it but didn't spot anything useful. Thanks.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Yup.

http://www.informalmusic.com/latinsoc/prep.html

[douglas9401]

Co-operative Insurance Society.

http://freevector.co/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/cis.png

[Old_Geezer]

Seems a misnomer though. One is a particular gender, not to the side of it.

[douglas9401]

Little known fact, that's how Essex, Middlesex and Wessex were named.
Everybody knew their place, even the obsessional garter belt wearers were given Sussex.

[mushroom25]

quick Q - When “self identity gender” is established by UK law, and “Ophelia”, who’s 6’7”, hairy backed, bearded, 27 stone and equipped with a penis and testicles, is legally accepted as a woman, will the International Olympic Committee honour her self identity and allow her to compete in female events?

[ummmm]

No.

[vetuste_ennemi]

And Caitlyn Jenner at the next Women's Heptathlon?

[douglas9401]

Yes Mushroom, but only in sports previously dominated by former USSR entrants and those currently representing the 'stans.

Level playing field and all that.