Eu Jackboot .

[Theland]

Isn't it now clear that the EU is undemocratic and we need to fight off the Jackboot of the power hungry Commission?
Who can defend this voluntary submission to serfdom?

[ichkeria]

I think the truth is that a huge number of people who support or perhaps drive the move to Brexit sense deep down that the 2016 vote was a bit of a one-off ‘shock result’ - in other words highly unlikely ever to be repeated. So the gut reaction - apart from the parroting of the ‘will of the people’ slogan - is an urge to push off from the ‘EU’ shore as definitively and quickly as possible (Farage saw this at the time as he may be misguided but he’s not stupid) hence the clamour by some for a ‘no deal’.

[-Talbot-]

It's not remotely desirable for the EU but many people appear to ignore that.

[Ellipsis]

Yep because we don't give a monkey's about that, only about ourselves.

Besides, an EU member country has choices. They don't have to import from the UK, they can import from an alternative EU member. And they still have all their trade deals in place with the EU and ROW. So they can find a second source relatively easily and cheaply. Hardly anything would change for them, compared to us.

And an EU member country doesn't have to export to the UK, they can export to an alternative EU member or ROW country that the UK used to export to, before the UK became uncompetitive through WTO rules and non-standard regulations.

But that EU member country will still be living under the "Jackboot of the power hungry Commission", of course ...

[CrapAtCryptics]

Its been clear for a lot of years that the EU is not remotely democratic or cost effective. For the record Flak has no c.

[jourdain2]

Quite right, CrapAtCryptics. It is simply completely beyond me how people can support subjecting our country and our laws to an alien entity. Do these (remainer) people not understand the word 'independent'? I'm really unable to understand them , try though I may (and do - and have).

[Jackdaw33]

If Jim @ 19.55 is correct then not only am I barmy, I am stark, raving barmy. Send for the men in white coats.

[jim360]

Being part of the EU by choice isn't really losing one's independence anyway -- not least because we can, and have, chosen to leave, which was an independent decision. So it seems to me that there's already a contradiction inherent in your views on the EU. More than that, though, I suspect that your definition of independence is quite simply nonexistent in the modern world anyway -- which would make you doubly wrong. So, put bluntly, I think you're the one failing to understand "independence".

In the hallowed past when all this was just theory, some passionate Brexiter sent me emails in response to a letter in the Times I had published, assuring me that, being born well into our membership of the EC/EU, I had "never known what it was like to be truly free", which is just the sort of hyperbole that turns me right off the extreme examples of Brexit support. I would love to know how anyone can truly believe that sort of crap.

[jim360]

Also, JD: hopefully you'll never be able to realise just how mad you were being when you thought that just swanning off without making proper and comprehensive alternative arrangements was somehow a good idea.

[Peter Pedant]

Jimbo I am amazed you are trying to engage in a thread which has the following code-words in the OP
undemocratic, jackboot, serfdom

If Theland said_ "I firmly believe one and one is fwee"
you wouldnt go into - Russell and Whitehead showed in Principia Mathematica on page 498, 1+1=2 - or would you ?

You might just say - no wonder your wife doesnt give you her purse ....

[-Talbot-]

5 and counting.

[Theland]

Jim - Isn't our market of 60m one of our strengths?

[Theland]

Peter P - Quite right, she doesn't.
I have to settle for what I find down the back of the couch!

[sandyRoe]

Test

[sandyRoe]

27 countries have joined, where's the serfdom?

[fender62]

most of the countries in the eu are poor, and only joined for handouts
take ex eastern block countries for example, greece should never have joined either.