At What Age

[spathiphyllum]

Should children learn about sexual reproduction, and should they learn about LGBT 'issues' and norms at this same age?

[ichkeria]

The way I learned about sex I was convinced for ages that a man urinates into a woman to get her pregnant. Luckily I never got to put it to the test. But it’s a serious point ...

[jno]

telling them when they ask is the best way, but I don't think jno jnr ever did ask much, so sometimes you have to be proactive in passing on vital information.

[mushroom25]

//Fellatio Nelson should be a porn star//

there's a song about that by the Macc Lads......

[jno]

if you approach homosexuality as an "issue" then it becomes one. My parents never even mentioned it, so I grew up neither knowing nor caring about whether other people were different from me.

[ummmm]

jno - my kids have older cousins...they kinda told them everything.

[spathiphyllum]

Homosexuality isn't an issue, if i've given that impression i'm very sorry I do not think it is an issue at all i would class it as an LGBT norm.

Homosexuality certainly is totally normal

[jno]

that'd be useful, but neither I nor jno jnr have cousins (jno jnr hasn't even got siblings), so you pick up things from school - mostly inadequate or wrong - or learn how to use a library.

[spathiphyllum]

Where i used the word issue on page one near the bottom, i certainly should have said "topics" instead. Issue was a poor choice of words.

[spathiphyllum]

12:07

"Ummm, i think issues such as homosexuality are easier to cover than those such as transgender, gender fluid and gender identity issues and how these can change and be affected with hormones and puberty."


I should have said..

"I think topics such as"

[ummmm]

Spath - I didn't think for one second that you thought it wasn't normal.

jno - I have a massive family so there's no getting away from what your child hears/learns.

[Old_Geezer]

If it fails to continue the species, then as a sexual preference it is far from normal. Claiming it is so just adds confusion. The point is to accept those who are different not pretend they aren't.

[Peter Pedant]

So, Fellatio Nelson ducked and dived and in the end sent the French, letters
and the French gave up - sorry he gave them a licking .... fellatio did

yeah the Duke of Wellington whose fave expression really was - "my arriss!" mis-spoke when he said - of being born in Oireland - if a man is born in a stable that doesnt make him a horse !

in fact said - if man is born in a stable that doesnt mean he should go after the stable lads - unless he wants to !

yeah and of the Dook's premiership - George IV asked him he wanted to be prime minister
and the Dook ( dirty little sod!) said - I would rather be slime minister !

God it is amazing how one relearns interesting more pcturesque episodes of English History

[spathiphyllum]

Being attracted to men and being sexually attracted to men is normal. It's something people just can't change. Its characteristics.

Evolution wise, i understand it's not the "norm". However the mind set is.

[Old_Geezer]

Do you claim the same thing about being attracted to kids ?
How about car exhausts ?
Got to be consistent.

[ludwig]

I think all that's happening is that the concept that families come in all varieties and permutations of parents and children is being introduced to kids at an early age.
I don't think that sex education as such is involved, or that being gay is being 'promoted' in any way.

I don't see any problem with that, but there are people who don't believe that families should come in all varieties and permutations of parents, and that anything other than the standard 1 male 1 female heterosexual married relationship producing an obligatory bunch of offspring is some kind of crime that offends their god.

Those are the ones kicking up a fuss about it.

[spathiphyllum]

"Do you claim the same thing about being attracted to kids ? "

That deserves its own thread entirely. Because i've always said, to suppress a paedophile is to put one into hiding. It's better if we know people have sexual urges, to we can prevent them from ever happening. At the end of the day, i'm sure a paedophile doesn't actually want to be attracted to kids. It's a mental issue.

[sherrardk]

It’s proposed that relationship education is taught in primary schools from September 2020 and sex and relationship education is taught in secondary schools from September 2020.

[naomi24]

Ludwig, //there are people who don't believe that families should come in all varieties and permutations of parents, and that anything other than the standard 1 male 1 female heterosexual married relationship producing an obligatory bunch of offspring is some kind of crime that offends their god.

Those are the ones kicking up a fuss about it.//

They’re not the only people kicking up a fuss about it. I acknowledge that families are made up of all sorts of mixtures of people but I don’t agree with young children having this politically correct claptrap foisted upon them by people with an agenda. Age 11 at senior school is soon enough.

[spathiphyllum]

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/03/28/21-mps-voted-against-lgbt-inclusive-relationship-education/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Buffer&utm_campaign=PN&fbclid=IwAR0Qkj5J_AKHUn57VSKrE5ZWxZmYm_jZeuDLJn6a337Y6cKy81nZOfnGeIk

Not sure about this source but seems likely.

[spathiphyllum]

Ten of the Tory MPs who voted against the proposal are long-time opponents of LGBT+ rights reforms: Sir Christopher Chope (Christchurch), Philip Davies (Shipley), Bob Blackman (Harrow East), Matthew Offord (Hendon), Sir Edward Leigh (Gainsborough), Charlie Elphicke (Dover), James Gray (North Wiltshire), Philip Hollobone (Kettering), Julian Lewis (New Forest East) and Martin Vickers (Cleethorpes).

I'm surprised that many tories voted against