Anti Daily Mail Bias...

[Spicerack]

I've noticed just recently that when you google a news story the DM version won't show up in the search results.
They have a policy of downgrading what they describe as 'fake' news sites and promoting mainstream 'real' news sites.
I neither like nor dislike the DM but it can't be described as a 'fake news' site, can it?

[Mozz71]

They don't allow swearing here, so you can't post Daily Mail links, because it makes us want to shout something similar to "what a load of bullocks".

[Buenchico]

It depends upon what you see 'fake news' as being. People can be misled just as easily by bias as they can be by untruths.

For example, if a newspaper only reports on the jingoistic statements of pro-Brexit politicians, while failing to report the concerns of businessmen, union leaders and many others, it's not giving its readership a true picture of the debate.

Similarly, if a newspaper carries many stories about the negative aspects of immigration from the EU, while failing to report on the many studies that show such immigration has totally revitalised towns such as Grantham and Thetford, it's again providing a false picture in total.

Deliberately choosing to use headlines such as "Romanian immigrant convicted of . . . ", rather than using "Man convicted of . . . " also risks inflaming xenophobia and racism.

The Daily Mail also has an appalling record on checking the information they receive before committing it to print:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-mail/

[MallyJ]

IMO it is just a muck stirring rag. I could really rant here but I would be tempted to use rude words so I won't!

[Spicerack]

Some of you obviously don't like the way it covers news.
However as one of the the most popular news sites in the UK should it be suppressed? (presumably for political reasons)

[ichkeria]

Hmm that is odd. Looking at some of the background chat it does look as if they’ve fallen foul of a clampdown on “girly images” more than anything else. That rinngs a bell having often followed up
an AOG link and been invited to rate the latest bikinis etc :-) The Daily Mail May be irritating not it’s hardly a purveyor of “fake news” exactly. And the Express and the Sun still figure prominently.

[Buenchico]

If you particularly want to see how the Wail reports on something, you simply need to add 'site:dailymail.co.uk' to your search string.

Alternatively, if you don't like what Google finds for you, try Bing, Yahoo or DuckDuckGo instead.

[Togo]

Have the leftie search engine owners cottoned on to the Beep Beep See biased "reporting" yet? No way Jose. Remember Pavlov's dog?

https://independencedaily.co.uk/the-bbc-and-no-deal-a-pavlovian-experiment-part-i/?utm_source=mailpoet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=INDEPENDENCE+Daily+Newsletter1

[ichkeria]

I tried a few casual Bing searches and couldn’t find any Mail links there either

[Togo]

This sort of "filtering" was called shadow banning some while back. When I flagged it up......I ended up on the naughty step. Haha. Must do better.

[johnk]

Yes it is

[Mozz71]

Most press organisations amend their reports to suit their own bias. Some will bump articles up to highlight their importance, others will fail to include cotrary opinions from experts. Some others, like The DM or Fox News will peddle outright lies, because they know that even if they are forced to retract the comments, by the tine they do, many folk will have already have believed the lies.

[Gromit]

I have just Googled 3 news stories, and you are right. The DM does not feature on the first page of results.
Of course, there are other search engines.

[anotheoldgit]

Buenchico

/// Deliberately choosing to use headlines such as "Romanian immigrant convicted of . . . ", rather than using "Man convicted of . . . " also risks inflaming xenophobia and racism. ///

I have yet to see that kind of headline just as you never see, 'Black youth accused of stabbing' or 'Pakistani Muslim accused of plotting terrorist attack', yet one will see 'White Supremacist attacks Mosque'.

It is time we were given a full description, it will help to discover if there is a particular problem within certain groups.

[ludwig]

That is interesting, but I suppose Google has it's own ideas and agenda about what information it presents and how - just like the Daily Mail does.

Luckily, there are other search engines, and other newspapers.

[Spicerack]

That's the rub, Ludwig. They're not allowed to have their own ideas and agendas. If they do, they become a publisher, instead of a platform, and would then be subject to all kinds of laws. Just like the Daily Mail are.
They've been increasingly getting away with suppressing alt.news sources and conservative opinion for a long time now.
Hopefully this is a step too far and will put an end to their deceit.

[Ellipsis]

> They're not allowed to have their own ideas

Of course they are. It's unavoidable. Their search results are an opinion.

If you search for the word "news", or for a piece of current news like "Prince Andrew Jeffrey Epstein", there might be 10,000 or more "news" websites that *want* to appear in the search results. Only around 10 *can* appear on the first page. So how does Google figure out which 10? It has to apply its algorithm, its "own ideas", to create its opinion of what will be the best 10 links. Every link that is listed on page 1 is at the expense of 1000+ other links that aren't listed.

[Spicerack]

'So how does Google figure out which 10? It has to apply its algorithm, its "own ideas", to create its opinion of what will be the best 10 links.'

Wrong. Google, and all the other platforms, are supposed to list searches in order of popularity/most frequently viewed.
Algorithms are supposed to establish that not apply their own political bias.
Did you miss the congressional hearings where all the Silicon Valley big-wigs swore this was how they operated?

[Bazile]

//I've noticed just recently that when you google a news story the DM version won't show up in the search results. //

Probably not entirely correct .

I've just googled the story about - children forced to live in shipping containers .
Whils't the daily mail story does not appear on the first page , it does however appear on page 2

[Ellipsis]

> Google, and all the other platforms, are supposed to list searches in order of popularity/most frequently viewed.

So all platforms are supposed to list the exact same search results in the exact same order. This order being some objective measure of the most frequently viewed. Is that what you're saying?

[Spicerack]

Yes. Don't bother posting examples of where that didn't happen. That's the point of this post.
Yes, Bazil. I'm not claiming they've disappeared off the planet. Just they're being downgraded. (hidden)