How One Man – Who Used To Be A Woman - Gave Birth To His Own Baby

[naomi24]

//Freddy decided to carry his own baby after wanting to start a family, but he faced a highly unusual challenge – he is a gay transgender man.//

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/stories-49596060/trans-and-pregnant-how-one-man-gave-birth-to-his-own-baby

I’m truly confused here. Where do a gay transgender man’s sexual preferences lie?

[Spicerack]

I don't want to sidetrack the thread, so I'll say no more.
I was just speaking as I find.

[naomi24]

//Children don't really care as long as they are loved, fed and clothed//

I don't believe that for a moment.

[mushroom25]

//Transgenderism is hardly a new phenomenon//

no it isn't. what is new (or comparatively so, given the long timeframe you 've suggested) is the advances in medicine and surgery that have permitted it to become a physical bodily reality.

always a little uneasy about anything in this vein - does the fact that we are now so advanced we have the ability to play God, does it automatically make it right that we should?

[jim360]

Most surgery techniques are comparatively recent. So on that side of things, why should a heart transplant be regarded with no moral qualms, whereas Sex Reassignment Surgeries be seen as "playing God"?

That's a separate question from how these things are to be funded, and in any case we're straying far from the topic.

[ummmm]

Naomi - the biggest concern is that the child will get bullied for his/hers parents lifestyle choices. If the stigma is taken away then the chances of that are lowered.

[naomi24]

//why should a heart transplant be regarded with no moral qualms, whereas Sex Reassignment Surgeries be seen as "playing God"? //

You jest - surely.

[naomi24]

ummmm, I don't think you can assume you know what the biggest concern will be. No one seems to be looking at this from the child's potential point of view at all. It's all about what the parent wants. Extremely selfish in my opinion.

[jim360]

Not especially. I can see the two aren't completely the same, but if "playing God" means anything it must include the idea of saving a life that was otherwise going to end. In that regard all surgery is "playing God", or none of it is.

[ToraToraTora]

hang on, woman gives birth to baby? shocker! Right so a woman who started as a woman had some sort of transformation and now fancies blokes, so she was correct in the first place.

[naomi24]

//I can see the two aren't completely the same//

They're not even remotely similar.

[jim360]

From the point of view of playing God, though, both operations count as that.

Outside that criticism I wouldn't argue with you about the lack of comparison, but what's left is a separate moral distinction. All surgery is "playing God".

[retrocop]

Most surgery is correcting God’s cock-ups.imo. No pun intended

[pixie374]

I don't particularly feel sorry for the child. Being wanted, loved and looked after properly is the biggest priority. I do feel sorry for the parents, who are confused and delusional.
That sounds like a contradiction in terms (but what isn't, in this?) But there is every chance the baby will grow up happy and healthy. The parents never will be.

[pixie374]

I do agree that any medical input could be seen as "playing God". Including saving lives, so I see your point, Jim. However, this is an unnecessary, impossible aim and taking advantage of vulnerable people. There is no excuse for that.

[jim360]

Thanks, Pixie. I know we've disagreed on this, or issues related to it, in the past so I'm glad that you can see the point I'm making.

[Theland]

How many cancelled operations had to pay for this person?

[Mamyalynne]

I doubt they had to cancel operations to free up the use of the birthing pool in the maternity unit.

[Theland]

Mamya - money - my daughter in law been waiting three weeks fo a CT scan to determine why she collapsed in the park. Give the funds to the women

[Mamyalynne]

You are allowed to say who you think should not give birth of course.

[albaqwerty]

The shortage of radiographers in the NHS is more severe than the shortage of midwives.

If the child is wanted and loved that's fine.
Anyone who calls a parent freaks or whatever has a problem.