Where's The Sense In Voting Labour?

[naomi24]

Labour intend hitting businesses and oil companies with high taxes. The result will be that the cost is passed on to the consumer meaning potential job losses and higher prices for everything, including fuel. The people least likely to be able to afford higher prices are the poor. Since concern for the poor is an on-going theme here, can anyone who is concerned for the poor but is nevertheless intending to vote Labour, rationalise their choice? Where is the sense in voting Labour?

[Old_Geezer]

It's as it always is. The right prioritizes a person's right to attract wealth, the left prioritizes distributing the nation's wealth to ensure all get what they need. If you are struggling the last thing you need to to make a helping hand less likely and see the rich continue to get richer while you still struggle.

Best avoid the usual discussion though. This election is about democracy and delivering the referendum result as best as possible.

[TheDevil]

The only sense in voting labour is to topple the conservative government.

That's the crux and the only benefit of a labour government.

[naomi24]

///the left prioritizes distributing the nation's wealth to ensure all get what they need. //

But the poor are not going to get what they need. With higher prices all round and jobs at risk they're only going to get poorer. Where's the sense in voting for that?

[retrocop]

Strange. I have already discussed with our ‘newcomer’ on another thread how Labour would affect the disadvantaged. Like Corbyn he appears to have done a U turn. :-)

[Old_Geezer]

You're assuming your higher prices belief will occur. Even in the event that, that happens, if the welfare is there to help then one is still in a better position being given that, higher prices or not.

This is the same discussion played out time and again. I restate it's not good to bring this to attention because this election is having to be held for one reason; and voters need to not lose sight of that and revert to voting as if the situation was normal. In normal situations it's always sensible to ignore false argument and vote in one's interest. Today democracy and Brexit is at stake, and our nation's sovereignty takes priority.

[sunny-dave]

I have voted Labour throughout my working life - never out of self-interest (I was a higher-rate tax payer for most of my career), but through a sense of social justice that attempts to provide a decent standard of living for all - even if the privileged few have to give up the odd bottle of Bolly to fund it.

I'm not voting this time - as an expat in Ireland I have every right to, but there are personalities on all sides that revolt me (Boris and his posh cronies, Ms Smug of the libdems and the rankly hypocritical Ms Abbott all fill me with equal horror) so I'll sit this one out and hope that Labour comes to its collective senses before the next iteration of the electoral process.

[naomi24]

OG, It stands to reason that if companies are obliged to pay higher taxes - and the higher minimum wage which Labour has promised - then those extra costs will be passed on to the consumer. Hit oil companies with higher tax and the cost of fuel goes up. Consequently the cost of everything that is transported by any sort of vehicle that runs on that fuel will increase. Everything - even public transport.

You might not want me to say that - and you might even want me to use Brexit to shove it under the carpet but, Brexit or not, that is what the effect of a Labour administration will be - and depending on welfare to bail them out isn’t the answer. What sort of country have we got if people don’t have jobs, can’t afford their day to day living expenses, and have to depend on handouts? Where is the sense in that?

[Theland]

So Tory voters are all expert economists now?

[Zacs-Master]

Yep, just like labour voters are all well acquainted with the Torah.

[sunny-dave]

Sorry Naomi - to answer your original question, by means of a very simple analogy :

If I take £100 off one rich person and give it to the ten poorest people then they ARE better off - even if the rich person has to raise prices by £5 across the board for the whole population of 20 people.

[diddlydo]

The sense in voting Labour (or LibDem depending on your constituency) is to get the Tories out and stop Brexit.

[naomi24]

SD, What if the price rise is £10?

Lots of us used to think like you… and then that great epiphany .... stark realisation.... happened. The Socialist Utopia does not and cannot exist .... ever. It simply doesn't work.

Any answer to the question, Theland… diddlydoo?

[naomi24]

That doesn't answer the question, diddly. Try again.