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Are You Pro Lock Down Or Against?
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It seems that the country is divided.
On one side is those who say let's get things back to normal and the consequences of the devistation of the economy is not a price worth paying against the relatively small number of deaths (50000 out of a population of 67 million).
The other side says full lock down must continue until there are no deaths and we have a vaccine, ie lives are more important than the economy.
I am in the get things back to normal camp ASAP, as we are a lot better capable of treating the illness than we were before and its something we will just have to live with, like flu deaths.
What do others think?
On one side is those who say let's get things back to normal and the consequences of the devistation of the economy is not a price worth paying against the relatively small number of deaths (50000 out of a population of 67 million).
The other side says full lock down must continue until there are no deaths and we have a vaccine, ie lives are more important than the economy.
I am in the get things back to normal camp ASAP, as we are a lot better capable of treating the illness than we were before and its something we will just have to live with, like flu deaths.
What do others think?
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// If we don't find a vaccine, should we continue like this indefinitely? //
i'm not sure that a vaccine will be the magic bullet - the medicos cannot agree whether it will be effective, because they cannot agree if antibodies will actually protect you. nor can they agree whether those who have provably had the virus and provably recovered pose no risk (it has been postulated that someone full of antibodies with no risk of being infected can nonetheless spread the virus if they are breathed all over by an asymptomatic infected, and then breathe the fallout all over others). it will take many months to perfect a vaccine and once perfected, it will take years to inoculate everyone - during which time we could - maybe - still be very much at risk.
so masks are now normal, their mandated use will be extended and they will be with us for years. all manner of track and trace systems are the new normal, and handing over your personal details (or risk being kicked out) in flagrant breach of GDPR regulations will also be with us for years. public transport with a 25% load capacity is the new normal, and again will be with us for years. and all assuming a vaccine is perfected quickly.
i'm not sure that a vaccine will be the magic bullet - the medicos cannot agree whether it will be effective, because they cannot agree if antibodies will actually protect you. nor can they agree whether those who have provably had the virus and provably recovered pose no risk (it has been postulated that someone full of antibodies with no risk of being infected can nonetheless spread the virus if they are breathed all over by an asymptomatic infected, and then breathe the fallout all over others). it will take many months to perfect a vaccine and once perfected, it will take years to inoculate everyone - during which time we could - maybe - still be very much at risk.
so masks are now normal, their mandated use will be extended and they will be with us for years. all manner of track and trace systems are the new normal, and handing over your personal details (or risk being kicked out) in flagrant breach of GDPR regulations will also be with us for years. public transport with a 25% load capacity is the new normal, and again will be with us for years. and all assuming a vaccine is perfected quickly.
Deskdiary hasn’t been abusive. Restrictions, fear-mongering, etc., have resulted in a degree of paranoia. As for airy-fairy notions of a ‘new’ normal, unless someone can come up with a method by which the economy may be generated successfully without business or industry, the old normal must be our objective - and the sooner that is achieved the better.
Against.
I’ve followed all the rules even though most of them seemed pointless, but I now believe we just need to get on with life, as this virus isn’t going away any time soon.
The economy is screwed, so many jobs have already been lost, which can only screw it up further, and folk with any medical condition apart from the virus are not being treated/diagnosed.
First trip out to city last week, parked in a shopping centre, went where I needed to go and was going to go in a couple of shops on the way back to the car. Couldn’t be bothered to navigate the one way system, or join the queues.
I can’t be the only one who finds it too much hassle.
I’ve followed all the rules even though most of them seemed pointless, but I now believe we just need to get on with life, as this virus isn’t going away any time soon.
The economy is screwed, so many jobs have already been lost, which can only screw it up further, and folk with any medical condition apart from the virus are not being treated/diagnosed.
First trip out to city last week, parked in a shopping centre, went where I needed to go and was going to go in a couple of shops on the way back to the car. Couldn’t be bothered to navigate the one way system, or join the queues.
I can’t be the only one who finds it too much hassle.
Anybody who wants the lockdown to continue does not have the first clue about how the economy and the wealth of the country works, and therefore should be roundly ignored as being ignorant.
At a very very basic level, if people aren’t in their offices, they aren’t going to the local sandwich shop, and therefore the sandwich shop at best suffers, but most likely will go down. The sandwich shop buys their stock from a wholesaler, and if the sandwich shop isn’t buying stock, then the wholesaler will suffer. If the wholesaler suffers, then the firm from whom the wholesaler buys will suffer, and so on.
It’s so obvious that the cure is worse than the disease that anybody who wants lockdown to continue is, frankly, a dribbling idiot.
At a very very basic level, if people aren’t in their offices, they aren’t going to the local sandwich shop, and therefore the sandwich shop at best suffers, but most likely will go down. The sandwich shop buys their stock from a wholesaler, and if the sandwich shop isn’t buying stock, then the wholesaler will suffer. If the wholesaler suffers, then the firm from whom the wholesaler buys will suffer, and so on.
It’s so obvious that the cure is worse than the disease that anybody who wants lockdown to continue is, frankly, a dribbling idiot.
Next week's COVID guidance, as leaked to a friend of a friend of a friend -
You can no longer meet with another person outside your family if they have an A or an R in their name. Unless, of course, it's Wednesday.
You can meet with family members who don't live with you unless it's the third Monday after pancake day.
People under 5 foot 11 are not allowed into a pub, unless they have brown hair.
People who own a cat are exempt from the above. Unless the cat is ginger. Obviously.
You can no longer meet with another person outside your family if they have an A or an R in their name. Unless, of course, it's Wednesday.
You can meet with family members who don't live with you unless it's the third Monday after pancake day.
People under 5 foot 11 are not allowed into a pub, unless they have brown hair.
People who own a cat are exempt from the above. Unless the cat is ginger. Obviously.
// unless someone can come up with a method by which the economy may be generated successfully without business or industry ... //
If you state the problem so badly it can hardly be a surprise that you can't expect a solution. Those advocating a "new normal", which is already here, are hardly advocating the non-existence of business and industry. Merely that it will take a different shape. Perhaps, for example, there will be less emphasis on continuous production, or continuous activity for its own sake. Perhaps it will merely mean building in greater contingencies, so that the economy can be more easily put on pause when needed; perhaps there will be a greater shift to home working in future, and so on.
A new economy doesn't necessarily need to be designed from scratch; it merely needs to adapt to new circumstances. Such as, you know, global pandemics that expose vulnerabilities in the system that have not previously been adequately addressed.
If you state the problem so badly it can hardly be a surprise that you can't expect a solution. Those advocating a "new normal", which is already here, are hardly advocating the non-existence of business and industry. Merely that it will take a different shape. Perhaps, for example, there will be less emphasis on continuous production, or continuous activity for its own sake. Perhaps it will merely mean building in greater contingencies, so that the economy can be more easily put on pause when needed; perhaps there will be a greater shift to home working in future, and so on.
A new economy doesn't necessarily need to be designed from scratch; it merely needs to adapt to new circumstances. Such as, you know, global pandemics that expose vulnerabilities in the system that have not previously been adequately addressed.
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