British Colonial Rule

[Hymie]

This story in today’s Daily Mail on-line interested me (especially as some ABers think me a racist).

In the article the Oxford professor claims that there were many very good things about British colonial rule, as well as very bad.

As an example of the one of the very good things about British colonial rule – he points out that we were one of the first to abolish slavery and slave trading within its territories.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12254917/Brits-feel-guilt-Empire-know-Oxford-don-tells-festival.html

[Atheist]

White Europeans invaded Africa and eventually chopped it up into states with no natural or historic reasoning, but simply to suit the European conquerors. They stole the land from those who lived there and used it to make money often by agriculture using local cheap or free labour. Naturally that didn't go down well with the natives. Perhaps they felt a bit like the poor British who many years later sought to regain their 'sovereignty' by leaving the EU.

[Untitled]

“ demonstrates that colonial rule did produce a stable effective prosperous nation. Demonstrably infinitely more so than indigenous rule did.”

colonial rule in rhodesia was effectively white supremacist. do you believe that whites are better off in charge than the indigenous (black)?

[ToraToraTora]

untitled; " do you believe that whites are better off in charge than the indigenous (black)? " - well I'll probably get called all your isms but it has been demonstrated time and time again that is the case.

[retrocop]

I would imagine in this day and age an 8year old boy wouldn't have to walk 6 miles with a rusty bucket to fill it up with filthy puddle water if the Brits were running the show. As it is they still rely on charity through water aid from the Brits. What happened to the millions of overseas aid we ploughed into these countries? Certainly wasn't invested in digging wells. I suppose the tribal warlords have to get their cash for AK47s so they can massacre each other somewhere. Perhaps colonial rule would have had a stabilising effect on these people and they needn't have their kids grubbing around in muddy puddles to survive.

[Untitled]

well yes tora lol if that's what you think then what you believe in is white supremacy

[ToraToraTora]

Steady retro, you'll be getting organic peace porridge all over the screens in trobland.

[Untitled]

the "stability" brought by the British was built on rape exploitation violence torture and strictly enforced racial oppression. i think your fantasy of a peaceful modern rhodesia is rose-tinted!

[douglas9401]

Some might say that both positions are overstated and the truth lies somewhere closer to the middle.

One thing is for sure, the place has gone down the pan since admin left.

[Spungle]

Benefits of the British Empire which would otherwise not have happened, or at least not for many years later. Far too many to name. But building of infrastructure, schools, hospitals, roads, railways, giving employment, improved education, health, quality of life and standard of living for starters. This in turn led to generations of people better equipped to self-rule, and ultimately more freedom and rights for the individual.

[Atheist]

Spungle has spelled out some of the benefits. I'm a bit uneasy about the spread of European culture to people who were probably quite happy with their own. And of course the theft of their land. Difficult to balance the benefits and downsides. But, it's all in the past. The winners win, and the losers lose.

[Ellipsis]

Well, the world is, in many places, a piehole (avoiding the swear filter). So, if colonisation was such a good thing, then where in the world right now should be colonised ... and by whom?

[david small]

The whole of South America was ‘colonised’ by the Spanish and the Portuguese. Millions died from unknown, to them, disease, and a slave society flourished. Those despoilers achieved not even half of what the British put into improving the living conditions of some of the indigenous populations of our territorial acquisitions.

[Togo]

I believe that Rwanda is very nice.

[retrocop]

//Spungle has spelled out some of the benefits. I'm a bit uneasy about the spread of European culture to people who were probably quite happy with their own.//

Could you explain please why these people are rocking up on our shores, if what you say ,is the case?

[Untitled]

"It's not "white supremacy" it's acknowledging reality."

if you believe that black people are better off being ruled by white people then you are a white supremacist toratoratora... there could not be a more perfect definition of white supremacy as an ideology ... rhodesia was a racist white supremacist state

[retrocop]

Earl Mountbatten was Governor of India when we gave India its Independence in 1947. What happened next was partition and India and Pakistan have been on a war footing ever since and squabbling who owns Kashmir etc. It hasn't been that many years ago when Indian villages were introduced to public lavatories to try to prevent typhus and other diseases spread by human faeces in the open fields around their villages. We are talking about ,maybe 15,years ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/28/inside-toilets-may-not-appeal-to-all-indian-villagers

I doubt this stone age defecation would still be practised if they were governed by a British administration.

[retrocop]

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I forgot to remind you. Ever since their Independence from British Colonial administration back in 1947 our country has been sending them £millions in Overseas Aid schemes. They can send rockets into the atmosphere and develop nuclear bombs but can't build public toilets and basic needs for their citizens.

[Ellipsis]

I can't give you a better response than this:

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/09/a-quick-reminder-of-why-colonialism-was-bad

Especially not on a mobile phone in under 4000 characters ;)

[Spungle]

But that wasn't what we were asked, Elipsis, but to "provide examples of some very good things that Britain did for those under colonial rule."