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[tomus42]

What do people think about living in a world where anything you see or hear might have actually happened or may have been computer generated and but you have no way of knowing.

[tomus42]

because that's where we're heading, no question.

[Old_Geezer]

You mean that you don't know that's been the case all your life ?

[tomus42]

I'm pretty sure it hasn't OG, given that computers have been quite rudimentary for alot of my life.

I take your point, but I'm sure you realise developing technology is going to change things somewhat.

[barry1010]

I am used to news being manipulated and distorted to fit the teller's agenda - that has always been the case.
It has never been true that 'the camera never lies'.
I struggle to believe in AI. At the moment there is no such thing. If 'it' has never been input in to a computer by a person then a computer can't create it.
So called deep fake videos are concerning but they are not created by AI. A person is using man made technology to create his idea.

If AI becomes truly intelligent it won't be in my lifetime

[rowanwitch]

Well it's getting to the point where I reckon some actual humans would fail the Turing test, they are becoming so programmed by what they see online.

[Old_Geezer]

The images of computer you have been allowed to see have been quite rudimentary. Why do quantum physicists tell us that something needs to be observed to be distinct, that otherwise it seems to smear itself out into a wave of possibilities ? Clearly the controlling AI doesn't have infinite resources to track every particle in the observable universe so just calculates for those being observed as necessary. ;-)

I think the main point here is that while not being able to tell illusion from reality seems awful, it ain't that much different to today. Our senses/brain creates our picture of what we think is out there from our sense data already. We find ways to decide what we believe and what we don't from an incomplete understanding already, and would likely also find ways to do so in the scenario you paint.

In any event AI is overhyped at present. It ain't that intelligent presently and some believe it never will be. It is a fast calculating, pattern spotting, data matching tool; and may well always be that way.

[Zacs-Master]

‘ computers have been quite rudimentary for alot of my life’

That’s what they want you to believe.

[ToraToraTora]

There is no such thing as AI. If it's anything It's PI, Psuedo Intelligence. We seem to be stuck with an inaccurate misleading name.

[ToraToraTora]

barry 06:04 BA bang on.

[ToraToraTora]

06:09 also a valid point!

[Zacs-Master]

I think we’re on the verge of ‘machines’ thinking for themselves, or at least being able to build on / extrapolate from their programming.

[ToraToraTora]

nearly all advances in IT have been enabled by hardware. Vast cheap storage and huge processing power have enabled programming that previously was impractical. Software has barely changed it's just that we can run ever more complex algorithms because we have the hardware power. Couple that with the exponential growth in data storage and the impression of intelligence is possible.

[ToraToraTora]

10:40, nope, nowhere near it.

[ToraToraTora]

Neural nets are a way to emulate the brain by reinforcing common pathways etc but in software that has to be programmed using standard linear programming. So yes it can give the appearance of learning but it is just the algorithm being used.

[Old_Geezer]

Intelligence may eventually become a possibility when neural networks get large enough to hit some type of tipping point where unpredictable data flows cause original creative thought to emerge. But given the advantages humans have, and the number of years needed to grasp basics, any AI will need time, input, and feedback for quite a while.

[ToraToraTora]

"What do people think about living in a world where anything you see or hear might have actually happened or may have been computer generated and but you have no way of knowing. " - well things like this are all over the place now but nothing to do with AI just people doing clever editing to fool the hard of thinking.....

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Vporz9jFgq4

[Old_Geezer]

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/intelligence-2

[tomus42]

I'm not really interested in the semantics of what the word intelligence means.

I'm more interested in the fact that this text that you are reading now could have been generated by an AI bot, and none of you would have any way of knowing.

Would it even matter?

[ToraToraTora]

tomus: "I'm not really interested in the semantics of what the word intelligence means." - It's not semantics, artificial Intelligence is like saying Nylon Silk, an oxymoron.

"I'm more interested in the fact that this text that you are reading now could have been generated by an AI bot, and none of you would have any way of knowing." - yes we would it's very clear.

"Would it even matter? " - if you have to ask that then may I suggest further study in IT?

[tomus42]

Sadly, you've completely missed all of the points Tora.

It may be obvious I'm human now (or am I?) But how about 5, 10, 20 years from now?

You'll be jumping in a self driving taxi along with the rest of us and probably having a nice conversation with the 'driver' on the way home.