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"Views regarding pictorial representation within the Muslim community have varied from group to group, and from time to time. Shi'a Muslims have been generally tolerant of pictorial representation of human figures, Sunni Muslims less so. However, the Sunni Ottomans, the last dynasty to claim the caliphate, were not only tolerant but even patrons of the miniaturists' art. Many Ottoman miniatures depict Muhammad; they usually show Muhammad's face covered with a veil or as a featureless void emanating light (depicted as flames). Pictorial surveys of Islamic religious art can be found on the internet.[30][31][32] Note that the last site also contains some extremely and intentionally offensive modern depictions of Muhammad.
"Most contemporary Muslims believe that ordinary portraits and photos, films and illustrations, are permissible. Only some Salafi and Islamist interpretations of Sunni Islam still condemn pictorial representations of any kind. Offensive satirical pictures are a somewhat different case � disrespect to Islam or to Muhammad is still widely considered blasphemous or sacrilegious."
The whole article's worth reading for a non-hysterical account of the whole sorry business.
On the point raised by bill barlow
"It is their religion and they can believe what they want and have whatever rules they want. If <insert phrase here> is against their rules then Muslims should not do it."
I bet bill wouldn't say the same if the inserted phrase was Western Democracy...
"BUT to tell non Muslims not to is a different matter."
...although it is OK to tell Muslims not to do the things not liked by Western governments, and by "tell" I mean engage in military action.
Bill- he dug a hole for himself pal-pity you are like me and fight fire with fire.I agree with you, as I have posted elsewhere.
Dont rise as my AB pal often reminds me.-thank gawd he is there occasionally to bail me out but more often than not he has his day and then softens the blow .Bless him (that didnt come out sincerely - must practice)
I think I may be missing something here, have you lot had a tiff on another thread? Kempies post on this thread is entirely reasonable. I do not agree with radical, threatening and hateful actions and reactions by Muslims, but by the same breath denounce all radical, threatening and hateful actions and reactions by the west... surely?! The religion of Islam is no worse that Catholicism, just as the 'Islamic fundamentalists' are no better than the IRA, you cannot condemn the masses because of the actions of the few. (And I don't even believe in God, so to me everyone's nuts anyway!)
WaldoMcFroog - thank you, excellent answer, I think the best I've ever had on AB, I will read that in full when I get a chance. I'm no great intellectual, but I do try to understand things before I critisise them. I fail often, but I give it a go!
Bill you shouldn't call other people bigots in a post consisting of offensive posts whilst refusing to accept anyone elses opinions or comments... it just makes you look stupid...
and one other thing, why would you feel the need to question someones sexuality as part of an argument designed to expose them as bigoted, guess what being called gay is not an insult... i'm not sure why i'm posting you won't listen - i think you prob have more in common with the bunch of radicals protesting against "people who think different to us" that you are ever going to realise.
Im sorry but kempie's arguement is a bit suckish. Give us an example of western governments "telling" muslims what to do? The muslim countries that are protesting are the hypocrits in this whole storm in a teacup. They say that we shouldnt offend them with pictures of their prophet but yet regularly print cartoons mocking jews and their religion in their own state sponsered racist newspapers.
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