swearing on records

[Lez]

Yesterday in Woolies a young lad of ten was being bought a prezzie by his Gran.He wanted The Black Parade(My Chemical Romance)but after speaking to an assistant his Gran wouldn`t buy it because of bad language.The kid was distraught.Now,when MCR videos are on tv the language is edited out.Why can`t they do this on CDs?What does anyone else think?

[B00]

No sorry, I don't think swearing should be edited out on CD's. You buy the record with the express purpose of hearing the song as it was intended to be. And to be fair there are disclaimers on CD sleeves stating that there is explicit language contained inside.

Unless.....just thought of something, there were 2 versions of a CD available? One with the language in all its glory (!) and one with it edited out? The first for over 18's say and the 2nd for minors? That may work.....possibly?

[lobbert]

i thought loads of artists brought out 2 versions. one for the kids. seeing as MCR are just for 12 year olds you would have thought there would have been another version. people like eminem do it with their albums

[missrandom]

i would love it if they made two versions, as i had to stop my 3 yr old daughter listening to some of my P!NK album, as she decided to sing "all i ask for is one f@cking hour"!!! that said i love singing it (when the kids arent around) with the swearing as its important to the feeling of the song.

[Goodsoulette]

when I was about 11 my nan wouldnt by me a cd cause she didnt like the artwork on the front, so she got me QUeen instead. Queen?????????? I never listened to it.

So my mum and dad bought it for me instead.

Just realised by cd I actually meant a tape.

[Lez]

Yes Boo,thats what i mean,there should be two versions so people have the choice.

[littleoldme]

Eminem has certainly released both 'Clean' and 'Explicit' version of his albums. Touble is, while he and his record company can easily do this and claim they are doing their bit to protect the delicate sensibilities of our little angels, there still isn't actually a law to stop minors buying the 'explicit' version, which is, of course, the version they all want!

[andy-hughes]

I think - and this is an educated guess - that the obscenity laws governing visual and audio material are different.

I agree that an 'underage' version of a track is not a problem for record companies - they do it for radio broadcast all the time.

It does call for an element of parental responsibility - which os often lacking these days. I have always enjoyed Eminem, but avoided playing the more overt songs when my children are around. Now that the youngest has just passed eighteen, it's no longer an issue, but before then, I elected to be the guardian of the hi-fi - that's my responsibility as a parent.

[Lez]

Yes but bands like MCR appeal to all age groups.My daughter has liked them for a couple of years Initially, i wouldnt buy sweet revenge,but then i realized shes more than likely hearing swearing in the school playground and shes not exactly an angel so i figured "what the heck ".It would have been nice to have the choice though.

[jpeg]

Hi there

there are 2 versions on most cds. i think you will find the cd single is the edited version and will cut out the swearing and the length of the song is also shortend unless stated on the cover of the cd. it's the artists album that has the uncut full versions.

[andy-hughes]

I take your point lez, but standards have to be maintianed.

My opldest girls are 32 and 30 and I have never, and would never use 'strong' (idiotic phrase that!) language to them or in front of them. yes of course we all know the words, and we all use them, but not to each other, or around each other we don't.

It's about respect.

[VenalWinfrey]

This is really quite an interesting topic. I've just read most of the postings, and one thing I particularly agree with is the suggestion that, in certain popular songs, the 'expletive part(s)' are absolutely essential to the feel/message being expressed. For good or bad, of course...

It is a difficult call, if you are a parent. Likelihood is, your children will be exposed to pretty much every word at some stage, and I think too much cushioning can be a bad thing. As to releasing different singles formats for different ages, record labels have for years managed to release CD1 and CD2 versions of singles, in a desperate attempt to increase sales, - normally through change in cover colour/additional 'KOOL' bonus hidden mixed/mashed-up track etc. - thus I suspect it should not prove too difficult to accomodate for the various age ranges in the market, and their respective legal rights.

[Keeprockin]

I don't see why there should be a need for swearing on a record anyway. Ifva group is so lacking in talent that they have to resort to shock language to get noticed,then the music industry is in a sad state

[zknight]

Keeprockin, i agree with you. i wouldn't let my children listen to music with swearing in.
i'm not even sure what music is these days. i know times change and things become very different but really with some good classic songs in the past to what we have now. i don't even understand some of what's being said anymore. but then again what can be said when we let our children watch tv programes with violence, drug use and other things we don't feel happy about. we can not protect children from everything. we can (try) to stop them listening to this type of music but they will when they get old enough to buy their own cd and it's out of our hands.

[missrandom]

zknight, unfortunately its the way of the world. My son first heard the "F" word in the playground at age 5!! We do not come from an inner city "rough" area, and i was really cross after all the length we had gone so he didnt hear these words so young. However in todays current climate I think its very important for children to be aware of things like drugs, violence, abuse and sex, when approached in a sensitive way and suitable to their age/stage development. This is the only way we can protect our children, by giving them the knowledge and the tools (no literally!) to defend themselves and make sensible choices.

[missrandom]

oh also, i did laugh when you said, "i'm not even sure what music is these days. i don't even understand some of what's being said anymore". Didnt they something similar about Elvis all those years back. There is loads of fantastic music out there. People do just generaly swear more nowdays.

[Lez]

Hi everyone,just for the record(no pun intended)it was the album this lad wanted to buy.I agree you can only protect kids for so long.My daughter was brought up to respect other people,especially adults and if an adult swears in front of her she is highly offended which can be a problem in itself.Up until the age of ten she thought the F word was fart.Bless.

[zknight]

missrandom, yes see i did think think of that. Obv what happens in the outside world is something we don't have control of but meanwhile i would not go out my way to buy a cd i don't feel happy them listening to.
as when my children start earning their own money then they can get the cd's they would like to listen to.

as for music today there are some goods songs and there are some bad songs. but honestly how long would it take for you to know every word to the songs today are you sure you wouldn't have a problem understanding a few words here and there?

[missrandom]

your right zknight, i wouldnt actively buy a cd for my child i knew had swearing in. its just that when i first had my son, i made such an effort to make sure he didnt even hear anything remotely bad, and then like i said before, some other grubby little child lists the most offensive of words to him at the tender age of 5. So i feel the best approach is that its not tooo big of a deal if they hear them, they just need to know how awful they are and that the use of these words wont be tolerated. iam kinda thinking we are of similar opinion?