Did Scotland invade Northern Ireland?

[On_the_trot]

As work is mindnumbingly boring these days I've decided to clear up in my mind the complexity that is the history of the British Isles. So I ask all you savvy individuals out there in cyberspace to lend me a hand. I have heard the following: "It a misconception that the English had plantations in Northern Ireland. Cromwell used English people to invade areas of the Republic of Ireland such as the province of Connaught and Dublin; but it was the Scottish that set up plantations in the North part of Ireland. And a lot of people in Northern Ireland, if one is ever there, still use a lot of  old Scots words like 'skive', 'aye', 'lugs' etc etc."

Okay if this is true why did the Scottish go to Northern Ireland? The English claimed it was for the sake of the crown but did the Scottish who were forced to become adjoined to the English crown suddenly think of themselves as British citizens loyal to the crown willing to die for king and country by planting in this wild catholic celtic country?

That's what I don't get. Please help. God bless, Trot.

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[creativeTECH]

ok, I was really bored...here u go..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/troubles/origins/index.shtml

 

[omblod]

Many of the original Scottish planters of Ulster were families of "Border Reivers" who terrorised the English along the Scottish/English border. The English authorities thought these hardy folk would be ideal planters in the "wild" north of Ireland and offered them plots of land in exchange for their peaceful departure (thus solving two problems in one fell swoop). As for their allegiance to the crown; it goes to show that the old maxim may be true - that people don't really care who rules them as long as they think they're getting enough. Scots in constant conflict with the English were unlikely to turn down the chance to colonise areas of Ulster much larger than the areas they'd come from.

Many people in North-east Ulster do indeed speak what is now known as "Ulster Scots" or "Ullans" as a result. In fact, the people of North Antrim not only use an extensive Scots vocabulary, they also sound Scottish to ouitsiders (and often to those in the rest of Ireland too!)

[omblod]

Further to my answer above - the Scots in Ulster weren't always overjoyed at being ruled by the English. Many of the descendants of the original Scottish planters were instrumental in the formation of the United Irishmen in the late 18th century. ,They were founded with the aim of securing self-rule for Ireland by revolutionary means if necessary. They did indeed revolt in 1798 but as I'm sure you can work out, they failed.

[Tweed]

The Irish people always resisted the English invasions. It was the people of the north who were most rebellious and troublesome to the English invaders. This part of Ireland was also the best agricultural land. In order to subdue the natives and claim this land, the English planted settlers from Scotland and to a lesser extent England. These settlers were made landowners and landlords, while the natives suffered terrible poverty and living conditions.

[ERIGENA]

The answer to your question is NO!

The Irish and the Scots are close cousins indeed the name Scottus long ment an Irish person.

The Gaelic language was shared by these people for centuries and indeed the Gaelic speaking peoples of both Ireland and Scotland called thamselves Gaels to this day.

The two countries had a common culture and the Bards or Poets and Musicians freely travelled throughout the land � C�iteamh go Ciarrai ( from Caithness to Kerry).

The Plantation at the beginning of the 17 th Century brought with it many new immigrants many but not all were English speakers( from England and Lowland Scotland) whilst others were Gaelic speakers.

Most of the initial wave of immigrants had Gaelic names.

They were Presbyterians and they were to contribute greatly to the preservation and development of Gaelic in Ulster.

 

The Lowlanders spoke a variety of English ( they called it Inglis and later Scots.

The London Government however promoted the English of the Court and like all other dialects of English the Lowland Scots dialect withered away.

The Weaver poets of the 18 th Cent. were renowned for their Republicanism and the presbyterians were in the vanguard of the physicial; force movement to rid Irelang of English rule.

 

Recently the Good Friday Agreement give recognition to Ulster Scots as a language/dialect and the Board of Ulster scots was founded to promote it.

The European Charter for Regional and Minority Languages recognises Ulster Scots as a language.

Many consider this outlandish, but are content to attribute it this status if only to secure peace!

 

I could go on but would advise you to get some books out of the library to learn more.

 

Beir bua

 

 

[rtyrty]

he is still alive in scotland in a pub look up stairs.