One step too far on the dreadful HRA ?

[youngmafbog]

It now appears that those that wish to kill and maim us the infidel could well be in line to receive up to 1/2 Million in compo.

They have flooded the system with papaer work and accusations that cannot be proved due to the illicit nature of secret service work. This coupled with the fact they would use millions on legal aid means our spineless Govenrment is about to capitulate and pay up.

For me this is beneath contempt. We should accept the 'war' the Muslims jhave declared, arm our people and intern anyone with a beard at least. And no I ma not joking, this has gone too far.

Juding by the attutudes of our Eurpean neighbours banning the burka etc I think we would not be alone.

Ontop of this the HRA has to go, the Lib Dems have to be told. It was only created for the Blairs pension fund anyway.

[New Judge]

Can’t comment too much on your main points, youngmafbog. However, your contention that scrapping the HRA would alleviate this problem is misplaced.

The 1998 HRA simply incorporated into UK law the provisions of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR). This convention was drawn up after WW2 largely to prevent the excessive oppression of its citizens by an over-zealous State. Until the HRA was passed into UK law people who sought protection under the ECHR had to pursue the matter via the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg. Now the matter can be dealt with in the UK courts so it could be argued that, far from enriching m’Learned Friends even further, it actually cuts the work they are required to undertake.

The ECHR (and hence our own HRA) is deliberately vague and open to a wide interpretation by the courts. It has also, in recent years, become almost the sole preserve of criminals and immigrants (both legal and illegal). I cannot recall too many cases of law abiding home grown citizens seeking the protection it provides. Of course its supporters would suggest that is because they are treated differently and so don’t need it.

Simply scrapping our own 1998 HRA would still leave us bound by the ECHR. All members of the Council of Europe are required to be signatories to the ECHR and it is a condition of membership of the EU. To withdraw from the ECHR would require the UK to cease its membership of both those bodies and since that is unlikely in the extreme, I’m afraid we’re stuck with it.

[joeluke]

http://www.dailyexpre...-torture-is-unproven/

Give em fook all

[R1Geezer]

The HRA is well intended but it has been largely hijacked by money grubbing lawyers and lowlife criminal scum. We had common sense before and that seemed to work.

[jake-the-peg]

When I advocate giving sex offenders the full benefit of the law tell me that I'd feel differently if it was my children

Does the opposite apply here?

If we rounded up those of you who advocate doing away with the HRA tied them to a chair and pulled out their fingernails do you think you'd feel differently?

How many fingernails do you think it would take to get you to change your minds? 3? less?

Or are these totally different propositions?

[youngmafbog]

So Jake you are happy with paying those people then ?

Perhaps as a sympathiser you should also be rounded up

[New Judge]

So tell me, jake, how many people do you know of who have been tied to a chair and had their fingernails pulled out courtesy of the UK government?

Perhaps you could give me the figures for before and after the HRA was introduced.

Then perhaps you could tell me how many "travellers" have used the same act to circumvent planning regulations to which the rest of the population are subject. And how many serving prisoners have used the same act to allow them to have razor blades in their cell and to be allowed to view pornography whilst inside. And how many foreign citizens have used the act to be allowed to stay in the UK because of fear of persecution in their homeland, only to decamp to that homeland having committed crimes here.

It is not the prevention of finger nail extraction that concerns most people. It is the blatent abuse of vague legislation being employed to avoid complying with the rules which should govern all of us.

[joeluke]

The HRA doesn't need getting rid of entirely because some aspects of it are needed.......the act just needs an overhaul and common sense applied to the examples which New Judge has highlighted (and others)