Do I Have to Believe Evolution?

[Elderman]

Well,For 116 years it graced the halls of the National Museum of Wales at Cardiff—the fossilised skeleton of a 200m[illion]-year-old predator that once cruised the Jurassic seas,” says Britain’s newspaper The Guardian. “Then curators at Cardiff decided the remains of the ocean-going carnivore ichthyosaurus needed a brush up—and realised that they had been taken in.” “When we stripped off five layers of paint we found it was an elaborate forgery,” said conservator Caroline Buttler. “It was an amalgam of two types of ichthyosaurus plus a clever attempt at fake parts.” Instead of disposing of it, the museum will put it on display as an example of a fake fossil.

[LazyGun]

@Elderman - What appears to be doctored footage purporting to be chimps dancing to an irish jig? What do you imagine this shows about evolution?

Ahh, but in your world, evolution means that man descended from monkeys! Of course, evolution makes no such claim, but then the theory is probably a bit too complicated for you.

Entertainment Value of Video - 8/10
Relevance to Evolution 0/10

[naomi24]

He's posted that on another thread too. More unrequested encores from Elderman.

[Elderman]

Ahh, you say but in your world, evolution means that man descended from monkeys! Of course, but then the theory is probably a bit too complicated for you.

[LazyGun]

@ Elderman - see, thats where you and your fellow travellers have Evolution all wrong. Merely repeating someone elses post contributes nothing to the discussion - but then, you dont want a discussion do you? Just a receptive audience for your endless preaching... well, thats not going to happen anytime soon :)

[jomifl]

Wonderful irony Elderman. I think you've mastered it at last. Just don't ever go to Ireland.

[naomi24]

Elderman, //in your world, evolution means that man descended from monkeys!//

No one here who knows anything about evolution said that. You don't read other people's posts, therefore you learn nothing - and consequently you continue to make a fool of yourself.

[WyeDyed]

Wasn't Galileo vilified by the church for suggesting that the Earth was not at the centre of the Universe (or even the Solar System for that matter)?
Does the church still contest this?

[Elderman]

Today, searchers for truth can learn from Galileo’s experience. But why did such a confrontation ever occur? A look at the accepted scientific views of his time will provide the answer.
In the mid-16th century, the earth was thought to be the centre of the universe. Planets were assumed to orbit in perfect circles. Although not proved by scientific methods, these ideas were accepted in faith as established fact. Indeed, science with its “mystic ideas” was inseparable from religion.

What you can learn from Galileo’s experience. A Christian should realize that the Bible is not a science textbook. When a conflict appears to exist between the Bible and science, he need not try to reconcile every “discrepancy.” After all, Christian faith is based on God word not on scientific authority. (Romans 10:17) Besides, science is continually changing. A theory that appears to contradict the Bible and that is popular today may tomorrow be discovered to be in error and be rejected.

[beso]

This myth that science is often wrong is popular among some. In fact the fundamental stuff has not been disproven but built upon.

We have quarks but we still have atoms, protons, neutron and electrons which were discovered on the way. Newtons laws of motion and gravitation still holds but has become a special cases of General Relativity where some terms become trivial.

The origianl planetary models were the default hypothesis formed from simplistic observations. Once further observations were made the case was proven to be different. Science accepted the changing knowledge while religion threatend to kill anyone who promoted the new understanding.

The "Word of God" is nothing more than entrenched mindless prejudice.

[Elderman]

Yes, In some cases biology professors have been forbidden to tell students that there is any reason to doubt the claim that mindless material processes could and did create the wonders of biology.

[LazyGun]

@ Elderman

Mr. BibleQuoter states "Yes, In some cases biology professors have been forbidden to tell students that there is any reason to doubt the claim that mindless material processes could and did create the wonders of biology. "

Unattributed, as usual, so no way of independantly verifying the claimed events - the usual weasel posting we have come to expect.

Regardless - science lessons are not the right place to present myths and fairytales. Thats what RE is for.

[Elderman]

Well one says evolutionist, “Four of the most outstanding mysteries about humans are: (1) why do they walk on two legs? (2) why have they lost their fur? (3) why have they developed such large brains? (4) why did they learn to speak?”
How are these questions answered by evolutionists? he explains: “The orthodox answers to these questions are: (1) ‘We do not yet know’; (2) ‘We do not yet know’; (3) ‘We do not yet know’, and (4) ‘We do not yet know.’”

[naomi24]

Elderman, who are these mysterious people you keep quoting?

[Davethedog]

There is a huge difference between spouting loads of unsubstatiated drivel and lying. Yet again answers 1 to 4 show you have no actual knowledge, yet you continue to quote things that aren't true.

So which are you stupid or a liar?

[LazyGun]

Elderman says -"Well one says evolutionist, “Four of the most outstanding mysteries about humans are: (1) why do they walk on two legs? (2) why have they lost their fur? (3) why have they developed such large brains? (4) why did they learn to speak?”
How are these questions answered by evolutionists? he explains: “The orthodox answers to these questions are: (1) ‘We do not yet know’; (2) ‘We do not yet know’; (3) ‘We do not yet know’, and (4) ‘We do not yet know.’”"

Logic and Reason says - more cut and paste gibberish pulled from a creation website. No attribution, as usual.
They are not outstanding mysteries, except to those like yourself, that struggle with complex ideas.
1. Bipedalism - confers an evolutionary advantage.
2. Hair Loss - Thermoregulation, Melanin / Vitamin D production, changing hunting environment, changing global climate conditions, tool / clothing use, aesthetic reproductive advantage.
3. Large Brains - Tool use, problem solving, intelligence, language skills, abstract thought, greater playtime, longer adolescence.
4. Communication - more efficient hunting, co-operation leading to greater survival for all.

Wow, you creationist guys must have a bunch of dumb evilutionists you are talking to.

[Elderman]

I concluded, “merely accept the opinions of others and repeat their ideas like parrots rather than taking time to examine the facts.”

[Elderman]

“Do I Have to Believe Evolution?”

[LazyGun]

@Elderman - better to believe the science and the facts supporting evolution, rather than having faith in the unsubstantiated word of a supernatural creator.

And when you talk evolution, it would be far, far better to educate yourself as to what evolution is, rather than what your creationist websites tell you it is.

[Elderman]

I concluded, “merely accept the opinions of others and repeat their ideas like parrots rather than taking time to examine the facts.”