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C of E Archbishop blows gaff on investment more important than congregation!
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The Archbishop of Barnstaple (North Devon) has announced that the Church of England will be using its land - i.e a money-making scheme, by allowing the establishment of wind farms (horrible, inefficient windmills) by a private company (or companies) in a number of places that his own Company (commonly called Church of England) has invested in.
Apparently the spin-doctors have devised the phrase "to preserve god's creation" and conforms with "gospel values". (PMSL).
THIS MONEY-MAKER SPITS IN THE EYES OF VIRTUALLY ALL RESIDENTS AND HIS CONGREGATION IF HE HAS ONE.
Comments/objections please (hope I am not opening The Dreaded GREEN Pandorah's Box!).
Apparently the spin-doctors have devised the phrase "to preserve god's creation" and conforms with "gospel values". (PMSL).
THIS MONEY-MAKER SPITS IN THE EYES OF VIRTUALLY ALL RESIDENTS AND HIS CONGREGATION IF HE HAS ONE.
Comments/objections please (hope I am not opening The Dreaded GREEN Pandorah's Box!).
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OK, OK guys and dolls you may laugh at my mistake of elevating the Archdeacon of Barnstaple to Archbishop. Application formally submitted by Diocese of Exeter to North Devon and Torridge District Council. I thought the joke answers funny (ty all). My own gaff has been bigger than my phantom Archbishop's!
Equally, my thanks to those who have really got to the heart of the matter which is that the C of E can now comfortably come out of its super-rich closet and deny the wishes of the majority of average people. To use their bible in support of their money-maker is surely a disgrace even by their own variable standards.
Equally, my thanks to those who have really got to the heart of the matter which is that the C of E can now comfortably come out of its super-rich closet and deny the wishes of the majority of average people. To use their bible in support of their money-maker is surely a disgrace even by their own variable standards.
Now, solvit, that is an idea.Exactly. Archie Andrews as a senior clergyman, eh? A wooden dummy operated by someone else, whose words are theirs , and they are so anxious that that pass unnoticed that they never appear beside him in public. Perfect !
[Note for younger readers: Archie Andrews was a ventriloquist's doll operated by Peter Brough. The act was famous on radio. Such film footage of the act that still exists shows why radio was Brough's favourite medium. He was a hopeless ventriloquist! Hence the above reference...]
[Note for younger readers: Archie Andrews was a ventriloquist's doll operated by Peter Brough. The act was famous on radio. Such film footage of the act that still exists shows why radio was Brough's favourite medium. He was a hopeless ventriloquist! Hence the above reference...]
naomi, yes, you are right, of course. The Church only spends what it has to, and relies on donations.
One unusual way is that I, together with another farmer, am personally liable for the cost of repairing the church in this village, by virtue of a continuing covenant that passed with the ownership of our land. Quite a number of houses in the country, never mind farms and farmland, have such an obligation, which must come as a surprise to some.
(We both keep an anxious eye on the church roof , every time we pass by!)
One unusual way is that I, together with another farmer, am personally liable for the cost of repairing the church in this village, by virtue of a continuing covenant that passed with the ownership of our land. Quite a number of houses in the country, never mind farms and farmland, have such an obligation, which must come as a surprise to some.
(We both keep an anxious eye on the church roof , every time we pass by!)
Dammit, and there was me going to pop over to Barnstaple this morning to meet the Archbishop of Barnstaple, (just 10 mins down the road) and shake his hand!! We have just had a wind farm built overlooking Barnstaple as well, it went live last month I believe.
I like the wind turbines, we will be buying one ourselves to generate our own power in the near future :)
I like the wind turbines, we will be buying one ourselves to generate our own power in the near future :)
Naomi, you are probably right. But when we move to Wales we will be trying to go as green as possible.I think the turbine we are looking at is about £5000. Also we are looking at building a log house on agricultural land, so very likely we wont have a mains supply., The wind turbine fits in with the planning spec to gain permission to build on agricultural land, along with the all buildings must be constructed of wood, with no metal, concrete, stone etc. We are hopefully doing this at the end of the year.
Naomi, you have been misled by the anti-wind turbine propaganda which is mostly based on over-emotional nimbyism. There was a thread running a few weeks ago on the subject where I hope that I managed to inject some facts into the artgument, If you can't find it, to summarize briefly, a 1.5 mw wind turbine costs about 1 million quid to build/install and pays for itself in less than 2 years even without government subsidies. I find them much nicer to look at than the power station that I used to live near plus they don't produce a plume of smoke that absorbs the warming rays from the sun or produce acid smuts that eat through your car's paintwork or have a cooling system that either discharges chlorine into the environment or legionella spores if they don't.( used to work as an environmental biologist for the power industry so I know these things)
Wind-farms are just another bank crisis building for us taxpayers.
If Wind-farms are so briliant why are investors not piling in and why a government subsidy? Answer is that given upkeep and ground-control, let alone their failure in high winds. Hence while private company directors will be creaming off millions from "day-one" - in about 3-4 years or less they will all go into receivership/bankruptsy and leave us creditors with pence and a big dismantling bill. Can you not all see a future rip-off when it is so obvious?
If Wind-farms are so briliant why are investors not piling in and why a government subsidy? Answer is that given upkeep and ground-control, let alone their failure in high winds. Hence while private company directors will be creaming off millions from "day-one" - in about 3-4 years or less they will all go into receivership/bankruptsy and leave us creditors with pence and a big dismantling bill. Can you not all see a future rip-off when it is so obvious?
To restore my original theme, can anyone cite chapter and verse from their bible as to why we humans have the duty to "preserve god's creation" - isn't that Archy's god's responsibility? Similarly, chapter and verse please regarding similar duty in "gospel values" (whatever the h*ll they are).
Will be addressing green expensive cr*p re: our little islands, under different question.
Will be addressing green expensive cr*p re: our little islands, under different question.
Before you leave your Devonian Palace, ratter, for some Welsh draughty cave, you may want to look into the economics of this Duncan Ballantyne man who lives near you and his wind chimney turbines.
Look wind turbines depend on your values. If you want to just back out your electricity meter, then perhaps (but viz some good solar?)...however, if you are wanting to be genuinely green, they are awful on a CO2 life economics cycle....the cost of making them etc....Naomi is right to raise it.
It is only the really large turbines that make any sense and before we get into yet another debate on the economics I will make just one comment, solvit. If Oil goes to >$150 per barrel, then, boy,wind becomes very economic and sustainable.......
That is what the investment bet is about.
I also think that the SW is being very narrow minded and not "selling" projects well. There is a project in Scotland where the local village, Fintry, has a tower in a farm, financed by the village (about the size of Clovelly, if not smaller, but with the bulk of the finace put up by the Highlands and Islands.
The village created a coop company and the profits are used for environmental projects, first upping all the insulation of the village, second to be tackled all the boilers. This is the point - involve the local community and an awful lot of the "nayers" and nimbies" change their view about wind.
Look wind turbines depend on your values. If you want to just back out your electricity meter, then perhaps (but viz some good solar?)...however, if you are wanting to be genuinely green, they are awful on a CO2 life economics cycle....the cost of making them etc....Naomi is right to raise it.
It is only the really large turbines that make any sense and before we get into yet another debate on the economics I will make just one comment, solvit. If Oil goes to >$150 per barrel, then, boy,wind becomes very economic and sustainable.......
That is what the investment bet is about.
I also think that the SW is being very narrow minded and not "selling" projects well. There is a project in Scotland where the local village, Fintry, has a tower in a farm, financed by the village (about the size of Clovelly, if not smaller, but with the bulk of the finace put up by the Highlands and Islands.
The village created a coop company and the profits are used for environmental projects, first upping all the insulation of the village, second to be tackled all the boilers. This is the point - involve the local community and an awful lot of the "nayers" and nimbies" change their view about wind.
http://www.airbikeuk.co.uk/
the link for the Bideford bloke and his chimneys - I haven't seen anything to the economics and the life-cycle, but it is conceptually interesting.
the link for the Bideford bloke and his chimneys - I haven't seen anything to the economics and the life-cycle, but it is conceptually interesting.
Without going into the intricacies and your next thread, yes, solvit, if Harwell (or anybody) could come up with a breakthrough in fusion and thereby take out a lot of the radioactivity risks and "pollution" issues. However, as we stand on that your name ought to be changed to solvitslow on that one. My belief is that a balanced portfolio of energy sources is needed be it for tricity gen or transport.
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